The mechanism of formation of rogue waves

[Fermer05]

Criticism of the lunar theory of tides.

According to the Static Tidal Theory, the Lunar tidal wave moves from east to west following the moon, at a speed of 1600 km / h, skirting the Earth in 24 hours, flooding only the eastern shores of the continents. But after centuries it was discovered.
1. That the Lunar tidal wave floods both the western and southern and northern coasts of the continents?
2. That the speed of a tidal wave of 1600 km / h is detrimental to both continents and marine fauna?
3. That not two tidal humps function simultaneously across the globe, but more than a hundred, regardless of the location of the Moon?
4. That abnormally high tides for some reason are formed in semi-closed bays, where there is no direct access to the tidal wave. And in the bays open to the tidal wave, there are no tides at all, or are they small?

Later, the Dynamic theory of tides was proposed, which was supposed to answer all the questions posed.
According to the dynamic theory of tides, the Lunar tidal wave moves from east to west at a speed of 800 to 1600 km / h.
Crashing into the continents, part of the wave is scattered in place, and the reflected part rotates around the ocean, thanks to the Coriolis effect. Like water that spins in a cup when you slide the cup back and forth.
The only link on the Internet that reveals the "essence" of the dynamic theory of tides. http://ffden-2.phys.uaf.edu/645fall2003_web.dir/Ellie_Boyce/dynamic.htm

But the dynamic theory of tides does not answer all the questions posed.
1. What is the mechanism of tidal wave scattering in the region of collision of the tidal hump with the continent?
2. If the cup of water is moved back and forth, the water will splash out and not rotate.
3. How does the tidal current that travels along the coast create the ebb and flow?
4. While the tidal wave makes one revolution around the Earth, the Moon makes two revolutions, how is the gravitational connection between the Moon and the tidal hump carried out?
5. In order for the Lunar tidal hump to exist, a nonuniform gravitational field is necessary, and for this, the Moon must constantly be above the hump, otherwise the hump will fall apart?
6. If the Moon created the tidal hump on Earth, it would not be an ellipse but a "drop". (The force of gravity is stacked, not compensated)?
7. Tidal waves are synchronized with the diurnal rotation of the earth and lag behind by 50 minutes daily.
The moon is out of sync with the tidal waves. (There is only one moon, but there are hundreds of tidal waves on Earth)?
8. It is believed that the abnormally high "Tides of the Century" with an amplitude of 15 meters in the Gulf of Saint-Malo, France, formed during the parade of planets. Then why, in other bays of France and the northern hemisphere, during the parade of the planets, abnormally high "Tides of the century" are not formed.
Moreover, in some bays of France during the parade of the planets, abnormally low tides of the century are formed.
9. According to the lunar tide theory, the maximum tides in the northern hemisphere should occur in the summer, when the moon and sun move over the seas of the northern hemisphere.
In reality, the maximum tides in the northern hemisphere are formed - in spring and autumn, when the Moon and the Sun are in the southern hemisphere.
The record high tide in the Bay of Fundy - 21 meters - occurred on the night of October 5, 1869, when the Moon and Sun were in the southern hemisphere.
The cyclical theory of tides explains this by the fact that the speed of rotation of the gyres increases in spring and autumn.
10. How to explain the fact that in the Southwest Australia in the port of Fremantle the tides are significant for part of the year and then disappear.
Once a year, in the Northern Dvina delta, during the spring flood, the ebb and flow mysteriously disappear for several days, sometimes for a week, and this is considered one of the mysteries of nature?
11. According to the Lunar tide theory, the maximum tides are formed in the phase of the new moon and full moon, and the minimum - in the first and last quarter.
But in reality, the maximum tides are formed in the new moon phase, the minimum - in the full moon phase.
12. The modern tide table is made by trial and error, and adjusted to the lunar theory of tides.
It is quite easy to compile a tide table by trial and error, for the reason that the tide heights are almost the same every year, except for the bays into which the rivers flow.
Tide tables were compiled long before the discovery of tide theory (by trial and error).
The same tables are used today; they are updated annually based on long-term data.

 

[origin]

11. According to the Lunar tide theory, the maximum tides are formed in the phase of the new moon and full moon, and the minimum - in the first and last quarter.
But in reality, the maximum tides are formed in the new moon phase, the minimum - in the full moon phase.

This simply is not true. The highest and lowest tides are when there is a new moon or a full moon.
If part of your 'theory' requires you to ignore reality then there is probably something amiss in your theory, IMO.

12. The modern tide table is made by trial and error, and adjusted to the lunar theory of tides.

This is not just wrong; this is absurd.

 

[billvon]

The record high tide in the Bay of Fundy - 21 meters - occurred on the night of October 5, 1869, when the Moon and Sun were in the southern hemisphere.

Which is when you'd see the highest tides on BOTH sides of the globe.

High tides occur both on the near and the far side of the planet (referenced to the gravitational source.)

 

[Sarkus]

Shouldn't this thread be in "Alternative Theories" or some such? It's clearly not adhering to basic scientific rigour.

 

[Fermer05]

It is believed that maximum tides occur during the new moon because the Moon and the Sun exert their gravity on the Earth in the same direction. But in reality, the Moon, rotating around the Earth, either accelerates or slows down the Earth’s orbital speed. Due to this, the Earth’s orbital speed increases during the new moon and decreases during the full moon, as a result of which the amplitude of the tides changes, which is clearly shown by the experience with the globe. The Moon's gravity does not reach the Earth. The role of the Moon is indirect, creating an uneven orbital speed of the Earth.

 

[Sarkus]

The Moon's gravity does not reach the Earth.

???? Where do you think it goes?

 

[Fermer05]

???? Where do you think it goes?

"Tidal forces" are now successfully used as a panacea for many of nature's mysteries. But in fact, they exist only theoretically, and in practice they have not been recorded by any gravimetric instrument. The acceleration of gravity at the equator is less than at the poles: at the equator it is 978 Gal, and at the poles - 983 Gal. There is no data on fluctuations in tidal forces; if there were fluctuations, there would be data. Why don't pendulum clocks run slowly during the new moon phase?

For reference: "Tidal forces in nature are the statement that the center of the Earth is less attracted by the Moon than the surface of the Earth due to its distance." The degree of inhomogeneity of the Earth's gravitational field depends on the distance from the Center of the Earth to the surface of the Earth, and the larger the radius of the planet, the greater the inhomogeneity of the gravitational field. If tidal forces existed, then the pressure of water and air would certainly react to this, especially during the parade of planets. Darwin and Laplace, through their research, dispelled the belief that the Moon influences barometer readings with its gravity. http://www.e-reading.mobi/chapter.php/8 ... aplas.html

 

[Fermer05]

Once a year, the Earth approaches the Sun as close as possible (perihelion), at the same time the orbital speed of the Earth increases to its maximum and, as a result, the height of the tides increases, and at perihelion gravitational and centrifugal forces increase, but they are mutually balanced. The Earth's orbital speed at perihelion is 30.27 km/sec and at aphelion 29.27 km/sec.

It is believed that tidal forces have stopped the rotation of the Moon, and now it rotates synchronously. But there are more than three hundred known satellites, and why did they all stop at the same time and where did the force that rotated the satellites go? If a “tidal force” existed, it would really quickly stop the rotation of the Earth, since enormous energy would be spent on tides. And the energy of the western transfer of the atmosphere, which rotates the Earth, is not so great as to rotate and knead the Earth, like a concrete mixer.

 

[origin]

But there are more than three hundred known satellites, and why did they all stop at the same time

I'm interested to know how you know that all the satellites 'stopped' at the same time?

If a “tidal force” existed, it would really quickly stop the rotation of the Earth

Tidal forces do exist and the Earth has not stopped rotating so this, like just about everything else you have written, is wrong.

This should be either in pseudoscience or the cesspool certainly not in the real science section.

 

[exchemist]

I'm interested to know how you know that all the satellites 'stopped' at the same time?

Tidal forces do exist and the Earth has not stopped rotating so this, like just about everything else you have written, is wrong.

This should be either in pseudoscience or the cesspool certainly not in the real science section.

Yeah. Batshit.

 

[DaveC426913]

...there are more than three hundred known satellites, and why did they all stop at the same time

1. Not all natural satellites are tidally locked.
2. For the ones that are, what in Heaven's name makes you think they became locked "all at the same time"?

and where did the force that rotated the satellites go?

The angular momentum of the satellites caused them to be transferred into a higher orbit. The Moon used to be closer. And it is getting farther away every year.
We have models that predict this.

If a “tidal force” existed, it would really quickly stop the rotation of the Earth, since enormous energy would be spent on tides.

How quickly is "quickly"?

The Earth's days are indeed getting longer. Earth is slowing down.
We know by how much, and we have models that predict it quite confidently.

 

[Janus58]

Once a year, the Earth approaches the Sun as close as possible (perihelion), at the same time the orbital speed of the Earth increases to its maximum and, as a result, the height of the tides increases, and at perihelion gravitational and centrifugal forces increase, but they are mutually balanced. The Earth's orbital speed at perihelion is 30.27 km/sec and at aphelion 29.27 km/sec.

No, gravitational and centrifugal effects do not balance at perihelion and aphelion. Centrifugal acceleration at perihelion is almost 1% greater than gravitational acceleration, and at aphelion, gravitational exceeds centrifugal by 2%. If this were not the case, we wouldn't be in an elliptical orbit. The only orbit where the two are always balanced is a circular one.

But there are more than three hundred known satellites, and why did they all stop at the same time and where did the force that rotated the satellites go?

Of those 0ver 300 satellites, only 35 are known to be tidally locked to their primary, with 27 more that are likely to be. So only roughly 1/5 of the 300 are locked.

The energy was radiated away as heat. We see a similar process happening to the Jovian moon of IO. It is small enough that any interior heat left over from its formation would be long gone, yet it is geologically active, This is due to the influence of three other Jovian moons, which keep its orbit elliptical. The resulting change in it's orbital distance from Jupiter varies the stretching it undergoes due to tidal interaction with Jupiter, which results in enough frictional heating to drive Io's volcanoes.

 

[Fermer05]

No, gravitational and centrifugal effects do not balance at perihelion and aphelion. Centrifugal acceleration at perihelion is almost 1% greater than gravitational acceleration, and at aphelion, gravitational exceeds centrifugal by 2%. If this were not the case, we wouldn't be in an elliptical orbit. The only orbit where the two are always balanced is a circular one.

Please provide a link to this information.

 

[Fermer05]

Which is when you'd see the highest tides on BOTH sides of the globe.

High tides occur both on the near and the far side of the planet (referenced to the gravitational source.)

In what region of the Earth are the two humps located and at what speed are they moving?

 

[Fermer05]

I live not on, but not far from the coast. When we plan a day trip there, I rarely check tide tables, but rather just glance at a calendar which show the phases of the Moon. Just by knowing how close it is to a new, full, or quarter Moon is enough for me to get a good gauge of the type of tides we'll get and roughly when the high and low tides will occur.

If you live on the coast, then watch the speed of the current along the coast and you will have a hundred percent table.
(You can find the current speed along your coast on the Internet).

 

[Fermer05]

The Coriolis force plays a crucial role in amplifying tides in temperate zones.

How and by how much the Coriolis force increases the speed and amplitude of a tidal wave in temperate zones.

 

[Fermer05]

б)the high tides follow the Moon's passage.

*and the Sun

At what speed do the Solar and Lunar humps move, what happens as a result of the collision of the humps.

 

[DaveC426913]

At what speed do the Solar and Lunar humps move,

The Earth rotates under the Sun and Moon once per 24 hours. The Moon also moves during that time, which shortens the 24 Lunar cycle by about an hour.

Naturally then, the tides sweep around Earth approximately every 24 hours.*

what happens as a result of the collision of the humps.

We get a high tide, rather than a a neap tide.



* Watch this: I predict our local expert of tides, Mister Fermer05, is next going to ask what damage is caused when these tides "slam into our coastlines at a thousand miles per hour".

 

[Fermer05]

Tides are caused by the moon of course but also periodic tidal waves like this,
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pororoca.

The tidal wave in the Amazon River is created by a huge planetary gyre with a diameter of several thousand km, rotating between South America and North Africa, covering the mouth of the Amazon River.
Scheme of tidal wave movement along the perimeter of the North Atlantic planetary gyre (according to satellite data).

https://images.app.goo.gl/4wRGQyHfCAzzEyjK6

 

[billvon]

In what region of the Earth are the two humps located and at what speed are they moving?

They are on the same side of, and also opposite of, the combined gravitational vector between the sun and the moon.

They are moving at an AVERAGE speed of about 440 miles per hour.

Just as a general suggestion, perhaps learn how tides work first before making up sh!t about them