The necessary truth of mathematics (?)

ольга · Tuesday at 5:10 PM

Pinball1970 said:
By definition something that develops is not created.

Why not, Pin? Don't you create music gradually, note by note,rather than the whole melody at once?

Pinball1970 · Tuesday at 5:16 PM

ольга said:
Why not, Pin? Don't you create music gradually, note by note,rather than the whole melody at once?

I was hoping you would not mention music! The Beatles created music AND developed over time so you have me there.

In terms of Biology though individual animals develop over the course of their infancy to adulthood.
Species change over time, populations.

A creation to me is out of thin air, like Paul McCartney waking up with "Yesterday" in his head.

exchemist · Tuesday at 5:24 PM

ольга said:
Take a deeper look at things. Physical processes take place inside both salt and water. Or do you know of some fundamental unchangeable entity?

The fact that processes take place within entities does not make those entities processes. You are making a category mistake.

river · Tuesday at 5:31 PM

exchemist said:
The fact that processes take place within entities does not make those entities processes. You are making a category mistake.

Life . Thinks .
The periodic table doesn't think .

DaveC426913 · Tuesday at 5:32 PM

exchemist said:
You are making a category mistake.

Seconded.

Olga is making a bunch of semantical errors that lead to obfuscation instead of clarity.

A rock is an entity - an object.
The rock has processes.
External processes might include weathering and eventual decomposition into mineral soil (mechanical processes).
Internal processes might include oxidation (a chemical process) and atomic decay (a nuclear process).
But a rock, itself, is not "a process".

Olga, can we please agree on this, and stop with all the word games?

Pinball1970 · Tuesday at 5:33 PM

river said:
Life . Thinks .
The periodic table doesn't think .

What?

DaveC426913 · Tuesday at 5:33 PM

Pinball1970 said:
What?

Don't. You just encourage him.

ольга · Tuesday at 5:34 PM

exchemist said:
The fact that processes take place within entities does not make those entities processes. You are making a category mistake.

Imagine that all processes have stopped. What will matter look like in this case?

Pinball1970 · Tuesday at 5:35 PM

DaveC426913 said:
Don't. You just encourage him.

I have reported him three times three different threads, I am handing him some rope.

ольга · Tuesday at 5:42 PM

DaveC426913 said:
Seconded.

Olga is making a bunch of semantical errors that lead to obfuscation instead of clarity.

A rock is an entity - an object.
The rock has processes.
External processes might include weathering and eventual decomposition into mineral soil (mechanical processes).
Internal processes might include oxidation (a chemical process) and atomic decay (a nuclear process).
But a rock, itself, is not "a process".

Olga, can we please agree on this, and stop with all the word games?

Dave, in Russian, "essence" is something that exists. Matter cannot exist without processes.

river · Tuesday at 5:46 PM

ольга said:
Dave, in Russian, "essence" is something that exists. Matter cannot exist without processes.

Matter can not exist without matter existence In the first place . With space .
Process can not exist without matter existing in the first place .

Pinball1970 · Tuesday at 5:47 PM

exchemist said:
The fact that processes take place within entities does not make those entities processes. You are making a category mistake.

Aha, You took Olga off ignore sir! Glad it is not just me who does that now and again.

river · Tuesday at 5:50 PM

ольга said:
Dave, in Russian, "essence" is something that exists. Matter cannot exist without processes.

Matter can not exist without matter existence In the first place . With space .
Process can not exist without matter . Matter being three dimensional physical thing with life . existing in the first place .
The truth of mathematics is that it not exist without a life form .

Pinball1970 · Tuesday at 5:51 PM

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Pinball1970 said:
Aha, You took Olga off ignore sir! Glad it is not just me who does that now and again.

ake people off ignore that is. Olga posted in English too. Two sodding months and she never did that for me.

exchemist · Tuesday at 6:07 PM

Pinball1970 said:
Aha, You took Olga off ignore sir! Glad it is not just me who does that now and again.

I have given this person the benefit of the doubt for a bit, now that they have finally had the courtesy to post in the language of this forum. That may change.

exchemist · Tuesday at 6:08 PM

ольга said:
Dave, in Russian, "essence" is something that exists. Matter cannot exist without processes.

But that does not make matter a process. It is a category mistake to conflate entities with processes.

ольга · Tuesday at 6:09 PM

Pinball1970 said:
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ake people off ignore that is. Olga posted in English too. Two sodding months and she never did that for me.

Pin, I've learned a little English, but you haven't learned Russian at all. Although you promised.

exchemist · Tuesday at 6:10 PM

ольга said:
Imagine that all processes have stopped. What will matter look like in this case?

Cold. At absolute zero, to be precise.

river · Tuesday at 6:15 PM

exchemist said:
Cold. At absolute zero, to be precise.

Matter will have structure . In liquid and solid form .

Pinball1970 · Tuesday at 6:16 PM

ольга said:
Pin, I've learned a little English, but you haven't learned Russian at all. Although you promised.

I did no such thing! I have learned a little bit, I know my name and Da but the alphabet is so different to ours it would be really difficult and take time.
My brain is no longer a sponge, it is more like a damp cloth.