Yes, when you think on it for a moment they all seem equally likely. Thus the significance of the question; Why? Why this one? And thus the hypothetical existence of an infinite number of universes. Are they there? How will we know? Of course no one knows what the future holds but this is now.Raithere said:People tend to assign significance to things simply because they're improbable but unless you know how something happened there's no reason to do so [...] even if this Universe only had a probability of 1 in 10^100 of occurring that it occurred doesn't indicate any special significance. Because if you think about it for a moment you'll realize that every possible Universe was equally unlikely. Add all these improbabilities up and you get a 1 in 1. Of course we can then add to the fun by asking, "What are the odds that no Universe would exist?"
Not really, I was tossing out hypothetical alternatives. My point is that we don't know and you cannot draw hard conclusions from unfounded premises.everneo said:I think it is you who is arguing life as necessary outcome, well atleast an unavoidable outcome.
More than that it's poor reasoning. You cannot just assume that a particular outcome was necessary.Cris was telling that, as i understand, focusing on the sepecific outcome itself is an anthropic view.
It doesn't matter which snowflake you choose. Considering the uncountable number of snowflakes that fall from the sky all over the Earth in any given year or decade or millennium, what are the odds that you happen to be there at the right time to observe any specific snowflake? Yet this unbelievably improbable event can occur repeatedly.Tiassa's snowflake example is confusing. I can determine which flake i should concentrate thereby nullifying all the statistical odds against that specific snowflake. Would this be comparable with events that has already occured such as life formation?
Again the problem is that you're assigning significance based upon a personal pov rather than statistical grounds. What about all the times when you don't get the series you need? I believe I have a good understanding of why we tend to do this but it doesn't make the reasoning any more sound. All you need to do is take a trip to Vegas to see the error in this method.As with deck, probablity of occuring ANY one of all the possible series is 1. Probabilty of occuring a specific series is 1/(8e+67) as you said. If that series is necessary for me for some reason then i would wonder whether it is a freak accident or providence.
Everneo said:
• I can determine which flake i should concentrate thereby nullifying all the statistical odds against that specific snowflake.
• If that series is necessary for me for some reason then i would wonder whether it is a freak accident or providence.
That is faith. But if faith is foolishness then we are all foolish in our own way then.
Faith + God = Truth.