There IS No New World Order

[Eugene Shubert]

Doesn't mean a thing,

It reveals that your fantasy has been debunked. And by you jumping instantly to yet another fantasy is a confession that your previous fantasy is without substance.

 

[Eugene Shubert]

there were no visible shock waves, that pretty much proves there was no deliberate demolition by explosives.

Why haven't you seen the side-by-side video comparisons of the demolition of WTC7 with other acknowledged demolitions? I'll tell you why. "Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." --Albert Einstein.

 

[Eugene Shubert]

there were no visible shock waves,

How do you know? Why have you chosen to not listen to eyewitness accounts of a shockwave ripping through WTC7?

[video=youtube;lESol88wOi0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lESol88wOi0[/video]

 

[Eugene Shubert]

Here is another essential avenue for further 9/11 research: Other Fires in Steel-Structure Buildings.

 

[paddoboy]

Here is another essential avenue for further 9/11 research: Other Fires in Steel-Structure Buildings.

There is no further research.
The obviously logical verdict was handed down long ago.
It's only a few nutty conspiracy pushers that infest forums such as this, pushing their own agenda.

 

[Eugene Shubert]

There is no further research.
The obviously logical verdict was handed down long ago.
It's only a few nutty conspiracy pushers that infest forums such as this, pushing their own agenda.

Other Fires in Steel-Structure Buildings is obviously relevant. You really do need to think for yourself and to question your unthinking obsession to follow the herd.

 

[paddoboy]

Other Fires in Steel-Structure Buildings is obviously relevant. You really do need to think for yourself and to question your unthinking obsession to follow the herd.

No it isn't. The verdict has been given. Live with it.
Oh, and far far better to follow the herd rather than some poor paranoid conspiracy nutter.

 

[Eugene Shubert]

No it isn't.

It's relevant to individuals that think for themselves. That angers you? Live with it.

 

[Read-Only]

It's relevant to individuals that think for themselves. That angers you? Live with it.

It doesn't "anger" me BUT I find *you* highly annoying. Why don't you just back out of here and stop cluttering up the thread?

 

[paddoboy]

It's relevant to individuals that think for themselves. That angers you? Live with it.

Like I said, the verdict has been given. Live with it. Or continue with your inane efforts for attention.

 

[Eugene Shubert]

Why don't you just back out of here and stop cluttering up the thread?

Intelligence angers willful ignorance. This thread is about my thesis. A thesis is meant for discussion and debate. Persons here that are incapable of contributing intelligent thinking are the ones that are cluttering up this thread.

 

[Read-Only]

Intelligence angers willful ignorance. This thread is about my thesis. A thesis is meant for discussion and debate. Persons here that are incapable of contributing intelligent thinking are the ones that are cluttering up this thread.

Let me make this very plain for you: Your efforts are wasted here - you have NOT succeeded in changing a SINGLE person's mind about 9/11 and you never will. So the choice is yours - keepon wasting your efforts and your life itself here or go somewhere where people have weaker minds.

 

[Eugene Shubert]

or go somewhere where people have weaker minds.

You have already revealed that you have no mind of your own. So shouldn't I be going to the person that thinks for you?

 

[Read-Only]

You have already revealed that you have no mind of your own. So shouldn't I be going to the person that thinks for you?

No one thinks for me. I'm a retired researcher and quite well off - I do my own thinking and also do as I please.

Following this post, you will become the first one on my ignore list. And I expect several others will also do the same. Your audience is shrinking swiftly since you've nothing of value to say. I hope you enjoy your isolation...

 

[Eugene Shubert]

A pattern is beginning to emerge. All the deniers have embraced the pretense of having an advanced understanding of structural engineering and chemistry. I see the debate as being a clash between independent professional architects, structural engineers, chemists, physicists, and demolition experts versus pawns of government power. And when the contrast is made between John Gross, the Lead Engineer of the NIST Report, and the Firemen and First Responders that were actually present at the Twin Towers and WTC Building 7 on 9/11, the actual truth becomes apparent. There is a contradiction which is easily resolved. It's obvious that John Gross is lying and all the Firemen are telling the truth.

[video=youtube;lESol88wOi0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lESol88wOi0[/video]

And for those that believe that there are demons on the side of the masters of mankind, please note that Read-Only, who is the most intolerant hater of 9/11 Truthers that I have ever encountered, most fiercely denies the right of Firemen, i.e., true professionals, that were actually present at the Twin Towers and WTC Building 7 on 9/11, to speak about the explosions they heard that day. Since explosions are a common occurrence in fires, we should assume that Firemen are qualified to speak about the explosions they heard on 9/11. Demons and Read-Only, obviously, don't want you to believe that.

Wow! Read-Only was caught pretending that he's an expert on everything and he's still playing that game.

 

[Eugene Shubert]

I hope you enjoy your isolation...

I'm delighted that the obviously senile senior citizen who asserts that the firemen and first-responders that were actual eyewitnesses on 9/11 had better shut up about hearing explosions and blindly trust their government will not be attempting to derail this thread any longer with his ignorant whining.

 

[Eugene Shubert]

You said "No modern steel-framed building has ever collapsed due to fire." You were wrong; we provided examples.

You're certain that a building with a tin roof qualifies as a modern building but perhaps professional architects mean a structure with a modern (meaning sophisticated) level of modern design safety. And you're certain that the bricks in your photo were scattered by fire and not by an explosive force? How did you arrive at that conclusion?

You heard Professor Dr. Niels Harrit say that no steel-framed high-rise has ever collapsed due to fire and that there have been super-fires in over 300 steel-framed high-rises and that none of their steel structures were affected by their super-fires. This audacious claim requires a credible refutation and a straightforward counterexample.

According to NIST, Final Report, xxxi, in reference to the WTC, “This was the first known instance of the total collapse of a tall building primarily due to fires.”

So don't ignore these undeniably true and essential facts for a true understanding of 9/11: Other Fires in Steel-Structure Buildings.