Tide turning on Circumcision, Push to circumcise all male infants

[visceral_instinct]

average man takes 5 minutes to reach orgasm, average women takes 20 minutes, in a fair world foreplay is something a man does to a women to try to level the playing field.

Are you sure..?

Where did you pull that from?

 

[PsychoTropicPuppy]

I just took the functions list off of a website since I thought it's interesting (sorry for not citing, but laziness caught the upperhand I'll look into my browsing history to see if I can retrieve it). But either way I can't recall having said whether those functions are good/bad, just that apparently the foreskin does have functions whether they be good or bad.

Just a thing I noticed you might have misunderstood the 7. The foreskin is apparently there to provide enough skin when the penis is erected; to assure skin mobility. Not to keep the head covered during erection. Or maybe I misunderstood you. Aaanyway..
The 5. you were addressing, hmm, I'm not sure if the glans are supposed to be kept moisturised just during sexual intercourse..
The 9. well I really don't know, somehow got me wondering too but it wasn't explained on said website or at least I couldn't see it, etc.

 

[ElectricFetus]

Are you sure..?

Where did you pull that from?

Somewhere in Kinsey, why? These are rough averages here, there are some that can unload in seconds!

 

[adoucette]

Interesting most uncircumcised penises I've met seem to look almost as if they were circumcised when in erected state.

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The foreskin has twelve known functions.
They are:

1. to cover and bond with the synechia so as to permit the development of the mucosal surface of the glans and inner foreskin.
2. to protect the infant's glans from feces and ammonia in diapers.
3. to protect the glans penis from friction and abrasion throughout life.
4. to keep the glans moisturized and soft with emollient oils.
5. to lubricate the glans.
6. to coat the glans with a waxy protective substance.
7. to provide sufficient skin to cover an erection by unfolding.
8. to provide an aid to masturbation and foreplay.
9. to serve as an aid to penetration.
10. to reduce friction and chafing during intercourse.
11. to serve as erogenous tissue because of its rich supply of erogenous receptors.
12. to contact and stimulate the G-spot of the female partner.

So it seems to have a purpose after all...

I'd say 2, 3, 4 & 5 are really the same function.
7 is debateable since a circumcised penis is also covered with skin when erect and 8, 9, 10 and 12 are unlikely at best.

Arthur

 

[ElectricFetus]

I just took the functions list off of a website since I thought it's interesting (sorry for not citing, but laziness caught the upperhand I'll look into my browsing history to see if I can retrieve it). But either way I can't recall having said whether those functions are good/bad, just that apparently the foreskin does have functions whether they be good or bad.

if the function is neutral then does it matter?

7. The foreskin is apparently there to provide enough skin when the penis is erected; to assure skin mobility.Not to keep the head covered during erection. Or maybe I misunderstood you. Aaanyway..

What ever that means ...assure skin mobility for what?

The 5. you were addressing, hmm, I'm not sure if the glans are supposed to be kept moisturised just during sexual intercourse..

Should they be kept moist during any other time is the question, if so, prove it.

The 9. well I really don't know, somehow got me wondering too but it wasn't explained on said website or at least I couldn't see it, etc.

Random websites aren't proof of anything, I could find a random website that states the physical benefits of fucking children, should I even waste the time copy&pasting from it, let alone believe it?

 

[Yellow Jacket]

he last longer and thrusts harder No, actually most studies find no change in sexual performance, they take the same time to reach orgasm, etc, so no your missing nothing...

Actually.....the extra foreskin can provide a little extra stim for the woman, depending on how the person is. Would like to see those studies you talk about.

but I have heard rumors that its not as nasty to suck on a cut one, if your into that sort of thing.

As nasty? huh? If the person takes care of themselves, cleaniness wise, nothing nasty about it. But that goes with cut or uncut.....keep that shit clean.

Honestly I would never let a women on my junk, that teeth near my junk, NOT GOING TO HAPPEN! I'll lick carpet, have many times, nothing against it, but not the reverse, totally not comfortable with that.

Uhhhhhhh, must of either been brainwashed or had a bad experience. Don't know what to say to this really. If it's done right, no teeth involved at all! "Try anything once. Twice if you like it." Good mantra to live by...live on the edge buddy.:shake:

What about ear piercing of babies, is that mutilation?

I say yes, but much much less painful. Probably why it is more acceptable to people.

 

[Yellow Jacket]

I just took the functions list off of a website since I thought it's interesting (sorry for not citing, but laziness caught the upperhand I'll look into my browsing history to see if I can retrieve it). But either way I can't recall having said whether those functions are good/bad, just that apparently the foreskin does have functions whether they be good or bad.

Just a thing I noticed you might have misunderstood the 7. The foreskin is apparently there to provide enough skin when the penis is erected; to assure skin mobility. Not to keep the head covered during erection. Or maybe I misunderstood you. Aaanyway..
The 5. you were addressing, hmm, I'm not sure if the glans are supposed to be kept moisturised just during sexual intercourse..
The 9. well I really don't know, somehow got me wondering too but it wasn't explained on said website or at least I couldn't see it, etc.

OK, some men have more skin than others. Some men as they are erect will not have their head exposed and the skin needs to be pulled down to provide the stim. Some men actually are extra sensitive on the head and surrounding area because it isn't exposed on a regular basis.

I would like to see where the list came from. Or maybe I missed the link somewhere here. Finding this all interesting. Trying to figure out how someone came up with the idea that foreskin is supposed to be there to provide enough skin when the penis is erect for skin mobility. Doesn't make sense really. SEEMS like if that were the case, circumcisized men would have difficulties having sex and such, the skin would tear, etc. if there was a need for skin mobility while erect.:scratchin:

 

[ElectricFetus]

Actually.....the extra foreskin can provide a little extra stim for the woman, depending on how the person is. Would like to see those studies you talk about.

I posted a link to a list of them a few posts ago, and I would like to see a study that verifies your claim.

As nasty? huh? If the person takes care of themselves, cleaniness wise, nothing nasty about it. But that goes with cut or uncut.....keep that shit clean.

Oh so a cut dick has to be taken as much care of as a uncut one you seem to imply, oh I would like to hear exactly how?

Uhhhhhhh, must of either been brainwashed or had a bad experience. Don't know what to say to this really. If it's done right, no teeth involved at all! "Try anything once. Twice if you like it." Good mantra to live by...live on the edge buddy.:shake:

It is a mouth, it has teeth... I'm scared.

Try anything once you say, how about jumping off a cliff on a segway?

I say yes, but much much less painful. Probably why it is more acceptable to people.

I don't hear about them apply anesthetics for ear piercings yet I hear about them applying anesthesia for circumcisions. if pain is the problem than all you have to do is demand anesthesia be used for circumcisions.

 

[adoucette]

I don't hear about them apply anesthetics for ear piercings yet I hear about them applying anesthesia for circumcisions. if pain is the problem than all you have to do is demand anesthesia be used for circumcisions.

Equating a tiny hole in an earlobe is hardly the same as the cut for a circumcision.

Anesthesia sufficient to negate the pain of circumcision isn't done in routine circumcisons because it is expensive and would dramatically increase the risks of the procedure.

Arthur

 

[ElectricFetus]

Equating a tiny hole in an earlobe is hardly the same as the cut for a circumcision.

Anesthesia sufficient to negate the pain of circumcision isn't done in routine circumcisons because it is expensive and would dramatically increase the risks of the procedure.

Arthur

I'm not advocating routine circumcision, try again.

Also localized anesthetics are not going to "dramatically" increase risk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision#Pain_and_pain_relief

 

[adoucette]

I said nothing about what you advocte.
Lighten up.

I said sufficient to negate the pain.
Those local methods are not sufficient, although they do help.
Problem is they are NOT routinely done because of the time and expense.

The obstetricians, who do most of the routine procedures, used anaesthesia only 1/4 of the time.

Arthur

 

[ElectricFetus]

I said nothing about what you advocte.
Lighten up.

I said sufficient to negate the pain.
Those local methods are not sufficient, although they do help.
Problem is they are NOT routinely done because of the time and expense.

I was never saying if or if not anesthesia is used, I'm stating it should be used. If your argument is that circumcision is painful therefor it should not be done, the flaw in your argument is that you could alternatively argue for removing the pain (anesthesia) without baning the procedure.

The obstetricians, who do most of the routine procedures, used anaesthesia only 1/4 of the time.

Where did you get that percentage? I get ~84%, and that 97% of doctors that get trained for circumcision are trained in how to administer anesthesia for circumcision as well. This statistic was in 2003, and was up significantly from 1998.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16843252

 

[adoucette]

It's not "my argument", I simply agree with the Medical community assessment that routine circumcision is not recommended.

The percent came direct from your link:
The obstetricians in the sample used anaesthesia less often (25%)

 

[Yellow Jacket]

I posted a link to a list of them a few posts ago, and I would like to see a study that verifies your claim. .

LOL, ok. No official study I know of....girl locker room talk/personal experience.

OK, did look it up. Here's a study, not sure how credible it is, but there are interesting statistics there. Enjoy:
http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/ohara/

Oh so a cut dick has to be taken as much care of as a uncut one you seem to imply, oh I would like to hear exactly how? .

Uh, yeah! Basically, all men need to take care of/clean their junk. I would imagine you would know that. But, there are some that are just not clean. Don't take care of themselves. Don't matter if you are cut or uncut. Although, it takes a few more seconds of effort for the uncut, a matter of a quick downward sliding motion to clean it properly. Not a big deal. And why is this bothering you I wonder?

It is a mouth, it has teeth... I'm scared.

Try anything once you say, how about jumping off a cliff on a segway? .

Sarcasm noted. Sorry you seem to have hang ups about your own sexual prowess. I don't and I'll pass on jumping off a cliff, unless there is a parachute involved....then landing on a segway would totally rock. Hmmmmm, could be fun actually.:yay:

I don't hear about them apply anesthetics for ear piercings yet I hear about them applying anesthesia for circumcisions. if pain is the problem than all you have to do is demand anesthesia be used for circumcisions.

I was asked if I would like to have a numbing cream applied to my children's peter to make it less painful. Of course I consented. Just wondering how ear piercing really compares to a circumcision though? How do you compare the two?

 

[SilentLi89]

Somewhere in Kinsey, why? These are rough averages here, there are some that can unload in seconds!

I don't think that is true at all. Kinsey's reports were all heresay. According to researchers who acytually measured sexual responses, Masters and Johnson found no difference in arousal time between the sexes. Both men and women climax in about 3 to 5 minutes. Men and women just can find different stimuli arousing. And of course there are always oddities, "some can unload in seconds" "some women can orgasm with their thoughts alone and never be touched"

 

[adoucette]

Just wondering how ear piercing really compares to a circumcision though? How do you compare the two?

You don't have to strap babies down into a special child seat with four point restraints to pierce their ears.

http://www.circinfosite.com/

Arthur

 

[ElectricFetus]

LOL, ok. No official study I know of....girl locker room talk/personal experience.

OK, did look it up. Here's a study, not sure how credible it is, but there are interesting statistics there. Enjoy:
http://www.cirp.org/library/anatomy/ohara/

And this one has opposite conclusions
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...ionid=A201FAC7A029E17B6745D757D424BD94.d01t01
and so does this one
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18807735

Uh, yeah! Basically, all men need to take care of/clean their junk. I would imagine you would know that. But, there are some that are just not clean. Don't take care of themselves. Don't matter if you are cut or uncut. Although, it takes a few more seconds of effort for the uncut, a matter of a quick downward sliding motion to clean it properly. Not a big deal. And why is this bothering you I wonder?

No I was not saying a dick does not need cleaning, I was asking which kind needs more cleaning, and certainly for some men cleaning it is not as easy as you suggest, assuming that all even try to keep it clean to begin with!

No this does not bother me, dick sucking does but that a different issue.

Sarcasm noted. Sorry you seem to have hang ups about your own sexual prowess.

I did not know that not wanting to shove my dick in someones mouth is problem, should I conform? Should I go see a shrink so I can learn to love shoving my dick in anything? Maybe the shrink can teach me to love anal too, maybe even give me the self-esteem to think I can shove my mighty member into a blender as well.

I don't and I'll pass on jumping off a cliff, unless there is a parachute involved....then landing on a segway would totally rock. Hmmmmm, could be fun actually.

I guess that joke went over your head Should keep up with the news.

I was asked if I would like to have a numbing cream applied to my children's peter to make it less painful. Of course I consented. Just wondering how ear piercing really compares to a circumcision though? How do you compare the two?

I states my reasoning many times on this thread.

 

[Yellow Jacket]

You don't have to strap babies down into a special child seat with four point restraints to pierce their ears.

http://www.circinfosite.com/

Arthur

huh. I assure you my boys were not strapped. Nor was there a peircing cry. They cried yes. But it wasn't an extreme thing. My exhusband and mother in law watched through the windows when he did the procedure. Both children were immediatly brought to my room, within minutes and I assure you, within minutes from that they snuggled up and fell asleep in my arms.

In fact, my son and I were discussing this yesterday because of this thread and his response? "Ewwww. God mom. I'm glad I am. I don't remember it and I am glad i don't have an elephant's flappy trunk. That's just ugly." Yeah, he's a character. And his response made me feel OK with the decision.

This reminds me of the time I was cutting my son's nails as an infant. He was sleeping and startled as I clipped one. Because of his sudden movement, I clipped part of the tip of his finger off. Not alot, but it was enough to upset me. It bled, he cried. Yet, he doesn't remember it. I found it necessary to clip his nails, he was injured. Yet, he doesn't remember a darn thing and it healed. Same as I found it necessary in my beliefs or reasonings to have my boys to have a circumcision and they healed and they don't hate me for doing it nor do they remember.

 

[adoucette]

My wife was an OB/GYN nurse, they ARE strapped down.
That's the way they are routinely done.
You had no medical reason to do it to your sons, but you did it, and now you are rationalizing it.
Arthur

 

[Yellow Jacket]

And this one has opposite conclusions
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...ionid=A201FAC7A029E17B6745D757D424BD94.d01t01
and so does this one
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18807735

Oh goodness. We could go tit for tat all day over this. I was just saying that the girl locker room talk.....at least in my circle, have noted that there is a bit more stimulation. It's kind of like ribbed condoms, provides more stim. When there is extra skin, it's slightly thicker, more textured.

No I was not saying a dick does not need cleaning, I was asking which kind needs more cleaning, and certainly for some men cleaning it is not as easy as you suggest, assuming that all even try to keep it clean to begin with

I believe you just said what I just said. I am not an expert on dick cleaning. ANd what was your point on cleaning it anyways? Why does it matter which takes longer? Shall we conduct an experiement?

I did not know that not wanting to shove my dick in someones mouth is problem, should I conform? Should I go see a shrink so I can learn to love shoving my dick in anything? Maybe the shrink can teach me to love anal too, maybe even give me the self-esteem to think I can shove my mighty member into a blender as well.

WOW! Hey, you were the one candid about not liking blowjobs. I just gave you my opinion. Shouldn't have brought it up. Just like I were to say that I love to shove beer bottles up my ass, (which by the way I don't) I am sure someone would have something to say. And seeing I brought it up, I would have to be open to the fact people are going to make statements. Don't open the can of worms and then get your panties in a bunch over the response.

I guess that joke went over your head Should keep up with the news.

How much and whose news should I pay attention to? Something stupid like that wouldn't really be important to my life, wouldn't educate me or affect me in any shape or form, so I wouldn't pay it any attention.

I states my reasoning many times on this thread.

Not seeing it. Perhaps I am missing it. Wouldn't be the first time for me. Perhaps you could link one of them in your response to me.