UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

OK so it was a case of try again. Glad you are so very approved over wherever. Top site no doubt!:D
Yep, that it is and with a few who really know what they are talking about and could teach you and others here a few tricks as they already have with me.
ps: Two members from here already participate there.
Yes it was PhysicsForums and yes I was unjustly banned. The so far single such occasion. I have gone over it here at SF before so no rehashing yet again.
Yes, Long Bay Jail is full of innocents who have been wrongly convicted! :D:p
 
As I have stated to MR before, I once had a UFO experience....After the sighting, I went home, went to bed, wondering half the night as to what I did see. Woke up the next morning, no radio/TV reports of any other sightings, no Alien takeover of humanity, and I rightly concluded it as a UFO....that is UNIDENTIFIED.
I did not automatically jump to the conclusion it was of Alien origin, although I most certainly believe we are not alone in this universe. But as yet, as of the 11th day of November 2017, we have absolutely no evidence yet of any ETL, let alone any highly imaginative Alien visitations. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence as it is often said. So when we finally find some hard artifact of Alien origin, or some needle that an Alien used for one of those often heard, anal probing medical procedures, when we find some excreta of Alien origin, or a dead Alien, or when they finally after 100 years and thousands of supposed visitations, make themselves officially known, by landing on the lawns of the White House, or London Bridge, or Canberra, then they will forever simply reside in gullible people's imagination.

Assuming ofcourse ufos have anything whatsoever to do with extraterrestrial life. That's your assumption isn't it?

Welcome back btw..:)
 
Assuming ofcourse ufos have anything whatsoever to do with extraterrestrial life. That's your assumption isn't it?

Welcome back btw..:)
Thanks for the welcome firstly....Just an assumption that any species having achieved inter stellar flight, would be rather intelligent and obviously really want for nothing and not have anything to fear from us....Then simply asking the next logical question as to why over a hundred years or so of thousands of recorded unidentified sightings, why as yet they have not come to believe that it is time they officially introduced themselves. I see that as far less of an assumption then assuming that some UFO that perhaps behaves erratically or unexplainably, is of Alien origin, considering of course the countless modes of alternative explanations such as atmospheric anomalies, cloud formations, mirages, illusions, sprites, fire balls, St Elmo's fire, pranks, etc
Intelligent Aliens most probably exist: the universe is a big big place: there are still physical laws that are universal: even considering warp drive possibilities, travel between star systems can be mind boggling long: (even Captain Kirk and John Luc Picard had only explored a 1/4 of our galaxy] Time and distance are great barriers.
 
Right..So what our particular science hasn't discovered yet defines what is possible for what say a million year old species on another planet has achieved and discovered?
 
Right..So what our particular science hasn't discovered yet defines what is possible for what say a million year old species on another planet has achieved and discovered?
The laws of physics being universal, defines what is and isn't possible. And I have already "assumed"even if they have achieved warp travel, distances are still prohibitive...And even if we take warp capabilities to the nth degree, say warp 10, 12, 20, and could reach Earth in a reasonable period of time, the fact remains that extra ordinary evidence such as excreta, body parts, bodies, medical needles considering that they like to indulge in certain probing, engine parts, instruments, etc are absent. That is the extraordinary evidence science is after. Let me also say at this time, that the buzz among many scientists at this time is that evidence of ETL may be forthcoming within a decade.
 
Right..So what our particular science hasn't discovered yet defines what is possible for what say a million year old species on another planet has achieved and discovered?

Yes

As noted the laws of physics reign supreme throughout the Universe and no matter how advance said billion year old species becomes they will not become godlike and be outside the laws of physics. There is no punishment for breaking the laws of physics. Punishment is not required because the laws are unbreakable

Physics is a universal prison and nobody escapes

:)
 
As noted the laws of physics reign supreme throughout the Universe and no matter how advance said billion year old species becomes they will not become godlike and be outside the laws of physics. There is no punishment for breaking the laws of physics. Punishment is not required because the laws are unbreakable

Physics is a universal prison and nobody escapes

That sounds like a religious doctrine taken on pure faith. How do you know that what we call the laws of physics can't be broken by the discovery of new phenomena? Newton's law of gravity was broken and had to be assimilated to Einstein. How do we know such may not happen again regarding the most solid laws of physics?
 
That sounds like a religious doctrine taken on pure faith. How do you know that what we call the laws of physics can't be broken by the discovery of new phenomena?

The only "evidence" available that the laws of physics can be broken is The Theory of god

No-one has researched The Theory of god

As for"knowing" that's not how science works. All science, in many fields, has been trying to break the laws of physics (we haven't gotten a perpetual motion machine yet) and like the idea of alien life out there (I take the odds there is) I will take the odds they won't

Faith maybe, pure not. More absence of evidence (that the laws can be broken) which I concede is not evidence that they cannot

I'll play the odds they won't. To me it is logical the laws of physics must remain fixed and unchangeable

Any law of physics which became flexible would result in a very unstable Universe

:)
 
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The only "evidence" available that the laws of physics can be broken is The Theory of god

No-one has researched The Theory of god

As for"knowing" that's not how science works. All science, in many fields, has been trying to break the laws of physics (we haven't gotten a perpetual motion machine yet) and like the idea of alien life out there (I take the odds there is) I will take the odds they won't

Faith maybe, pure not. More absence of evidence (that the laws can be broken) which I concede is not evidence that they cannot

I'll play the odds they won't. To me it is logical the laws of physics must remain fixed and unchangeable

Any law of physics which became flexible would result in a very unstable Universe

:)
Sure about that? Really sure? Try doing a search using eg. 'varying laws of physics'. Some interesting hits come up. Lots of them. But then again - those cowboy 'physicists' are up against our very own Michael 345 - the one always banging on about the 'thorny issue' of the universe expanding into 'the outer void'.-_O-_O
 
That sounds like a religious doctrine taken on pure faith. How do you know that what we call the laws of physics can't be broken by the discovery of new phenomena? Newton's law of gravity was broken and had to be assimilated to Einstein. How do we know such may not happen again regarding the most solid laws of physics?
Newton's laws of gravity were not broken at all. They were simply extended on by a more accurate model.
 
Any law of physics which became flexible would result in a very unstable Universe
:)
Everything in the observable universe seems to follow the same kind of local physical laws that we experience on Earth. We have absolutely no reason to believe that things would change elsewhere. I wouldn't worry too much Mick. :biggrin:
 
I wouldn't worry too much Mick. :biggrin:

Thanks for the reassurance

I was quaking in fear that I would go to bed tonight and wake up when I was hit by the International Space Station because the law of gravity had been broken

:)
 
Try doing a search using eg. 'varying laws of physics'.

Got this hit

At this point, however, we can feel reassured that there is no reason to suspect that this particular aspect of physics shifts between, say, London and Beijing – or indeed, between our galaxy and the next one.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120329-can-the-laws-of-physics-change

To lazy to do more UNLESS you have a specific link which shows a physics law which has been broken not links which seem to be journalist hype

the one always banging on about the 'thorny issue' of the universe expanding into 'the outer void'

Never put forward Huey Dewey and Louie and my own take on the expansion of the Universe as a law

:)
 
Got this hit

At this point, however, we can feel reassured that there is no reason to suspect that this particular aspect of physics shifts between, say, London and Beijing – or indeed, between our galaxy and the next one.

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120329-can-the-laws-of-physics-change

To lazy to do more UNLESS you have a specific link which shows a physics law which has been broken not links which seem to be journalist hype



Never put forward Huey Dewey and Louie and my own take on the expansion of the Universe as a law

:)
You know what? That humble admission is, all by itself, a kind of law. One I respect as truly reliable at all places and all times!:biggrin:
 
Everything in the observable universe seems to follow the same kind of local physical laws that we experience on Earth. We have absolutely no reason to believe that things would change elsewhere. I wouldn't worry too much Mick. :biggrin:

Just taken a hit of coffee and it occurred to me

What would god bothers make of a god who made one set of physics laws for our region of the Universe but another set of laws for another region?

god seems to be fixed on a cookie cutter assembly line construction model with a few tweaks. Somewhat like the Terracotta Army statues depicting the armies of Qin Shi Huang

How else to explain why we share 50% of our genes with bananas?

:)
 
Thanks for the reassurance

I was quaking in fear that I would go to bed tonight and wake up when I was hit by the International Space Station because the law of gravity had been broken
Just taken a hit of coffee and it occurred to me

What would god bothers make of a god who made one set of physics laws for our region of the Universe but another set of laws for another region?

god seems to be fixed on a cookie cutter assembly line construction model with a few tweaks. Somewhat like the Terracotta Army statues depicting the armies of Qin Shi Huang

How else to explain why we share 50% of our genes with bananas?

:)
The point is Mick, god botherers, IDers, trolls and pseudo ratbags, will always argue against the legitimacy and logic of mainstream science, to attempt to create confusion and/or attempts to show science as clueless and play the god of the gaps, thereby inserting or suggesting some form of ID.
It is the only methodology open to them. But rest easy, as I have said many times, arguments such as those given by that lot, essentially occur on forums, and you can bet your short n curlies that no one will change science and/or scientific theories on any forum open to any Tom, Dick and Harry.
PS: Just been to my other place where they have dispatched another shit stirrer. :D
 
Everything in the observable universe seems to follow the same kind of local physical laws that we experience on Earth.

You realize ofcourse we couldn't know that unless we had been to every location in the observable universe. What about the inside of a black hole?
 
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