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Even if other airlines were not a good option, if I had to bet I would put money on there having been more than one private jet, or small rental, available at that same or a nearby airport at that very time - including a couple owned or controlled by United Airlines management.
Easy to say in retrospect. I'm sure they're considering it too, after-the-fact.

But do you really think that it's in any way feasible for an airliner to say 'we need four employees at airport X, better break out the learjet'.

I'm not sure you realize how much a private flight costs.

They'd be out of business, and then we'd be riding trains.
 
Easy to say in retrospect. I'm sure they're considering it too, after-the-fact.

But do you really think that it's in any way feasible for an airliner to say 'we need four employees at airport X, better break out the learjet'.

I'm not sure you realize how much a private flight costs.

They'd be out of business, and then we'd be riding trains.
pretty sure it costs less than the 600 million in lost stock value. just saying
 
But do you really think that it's in any way feasible for an airliner to say 'we need four employees at airport X, better break out the learjet'.
I'm not sure you realize how much a private flight costs.
They'd be out of business, and then we'd be riding trains.
Good Lord, how often are they forcibly removing unwilling passengers!? Is this kind of thing happening routinely?

Maybe their genius executive brains can figure out how to avoid stranding their flight crews like that in the first place, then. If it's happening that often.

Meanwhile, that gives us the range of bribes they should be willing to offer, for those occupied seats. Because forcible removal of unwilling but otherwise well-behaved passengers is not an option.

One fourth the cost of the flight in the United Airlines executive plane, not including overhead like the cost of the plane. Possibly not including the cost of the pilot, either - surely they can fly themselves? That's the ceiling on the bribe.

Failing that, they can replace the steward crew with the flight crew being transported. Bad service, probably, but better than beating and dragging your passengers.
 
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Even the United pilots are deploring this incident. I guess they're just sheep drinking the media koolaide too..
No, they're just trying to appease the mob and trying to prevent us-vs-them attitude. After all, they have to deal with, and manage unruly and sometimes disgusting passenger behavior. As a moderate traveler I experienced some cases where I could have been accommodated better but have many stories of bad-behaving passengers.

True. I think that's what they said about Rosa Parks too. :D
wow. (but by your big grin emoji, you were expecting this reaction). And UA is Hitler, right?
 
No, they're just trying to appease the mob and trying to prevent us-vs-them attitude.
Or perhaps they recognise that beating a peaceful passenger up because he refused to give up his seat with good reason, was not acceptable.

After all, they have to deal with, and manage unruly and sometimes disgusting passenger behavior.
The passenger in question was neither of those things.

He was not violent or abusive. He just did not want to give up his seat. They could have simply found a different way to get the crew to their destination, instead of forcing people off their flight, for $800 worth of restricted flight credit, which would not have even allowed the passengers to rent a car or book with a different airline.

As a moderate traveler I experienced some cases where I could have been accommodated better but have many stories of bad-behaving passengers.
And I have been on flights where people were unruly, rude, loud, abusive and even threatening violence. Not once, did any of them have their heads bashed into the arm rest and then dragged off like an animal, with broken teeth and facial lacerations.

And yet, this is how they treat a passenger who had done absolutely nothing wrong, was not violent?

United airlines and its employees did not assault and did nothing illegal. In fact, the crew were professional and did not act “lowly”. Police officers, which are not employees of the airline, dragged the man out.
Pretty sure it was security that dragged him out of his seat and bashed his head into the armrest and then dragged him out. Watch the video.

The police were there. It was security who did it though.

Whether or not you think overbooking is right, is not the point.
The flight was not overbooked.

United spokesman Jonathan Guerin said Tuesday that all 70 seats on United Express Flight 3411 were filled, but the plane was not overbooked as the airline previously reported. Instead, United and regional affiliate Republic Airlines, which operated the flight, selected four passengers to be removed to accommodate crew members needed in Louisville the next day.

It is lawful, all airlines do it, and the ticket prices we pay are lower because of it. Also, from what I have read, this was not even a case of overbooking. They had to fly 4 pilots to their destinations or risk having to cancel flights which would affect hundreds or potentially thousands of people.
Not sure where you are from, but most civilised and even uncivilised countries have laws against beating someone to a pulp for doing nothing wrong.

media sensationalism – and do anything to create outrage – This combined with sense of entitlement the 1st world masses have today. “How dare they kick me out of the seat I paid for!” Yes, we all hate airlines and flying is a bitch. How entitled we feel – to be able to sit in a tube 30K feet in the sky and safely travel across the world in hours. My rights! I am being treated unfairly! -- (after being offered $800 plus hotel stay) for stepping off the plane. Again, the narcissistic entitlement –I’m not moving from my seat!
Are you suggesting that their security breaking the guy's face and then dragging him off the plane, then causing a delay that amounted to hours because they had to clean the plane, due to the blood splatter that resulted from their security bashing him into an arm rest and then dragging his bloodied body throughout the plane, was acceptable and done legitimately?

You think that was fair?

Look! I’m being dragged off!. Also, stupid, stupid.. not obeying police (men with guns). Men with guns – Some of them could be racist, some of them could be bad, some of them could just be having a bad day. Regardless of your ”rights”, it’s generally not a good idea to fight, argue, or even run away from Men With Guns. Police tells me to jump, I’ll jump. Then I’ll get a lawyer if I believe I was mistreated.
Well, that says it all, I guess..
 
No, they're just trying to appease the mob and trying to prevent us-vs-them attitude. After all, they have to deal with, and manage unruly and sometimes disgusting passenger behavior. As a moderate traveler I experienced some cases where I could have been accommodated better but have many stories of bad-behaving passengers.

Somewhat. But they are also responding honestly to this atrocious and violent attack. The doctor was not being unruly and did not merit such treatment. And there was no media spin to make this look a certain way. The video speaks for itself. It's hard to watch it is so galling. I'm sure he is permanently traumatized. The only spin I see is you demonizing the passenger. United is responsible for what happens on their planes. He can now retire from medicine after winning a hefty lawsuit. Good for him.
 
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And yet, this is how they treat a passenger who had done absolutely nothing wrong, was not violent?
Again, the passenger was repeatedly ordered to get off the plane BY THE POLICE, then he was forcibly removed from his seat BY THE POLICE. It doesn't matter whether or not he deserved to get kicked out of the plane. If the cops pull you over because the suspect you (and "suspect" is very broad term) and "ask" you to get out of your car. What do you think will happen if you refuse? Try it.

The clip, recorded by a woman sitting behind Dr Dao, shows him talking on the phone while being asked to leave the aircraft by police.

He refuses, saying: “I won’t go. I’m a physician, have to work tomorrow at 8 o’clock.”
Dr Dao is heard to say he will “make a lawsuit against United Airlines” and adamantly refuses to vacate his seat.

A police officer says to Dr Dao: “I have to drag you ... You know how this is going to end up happening, right?”

A clearly angry Dr Dao says the officer can drag him from the flight, and that he’d rather go to jail.

“You can drag me then, I don’t go. I’m staying. You’ll have to drag me,” he said.

While the officer explains to Dr Dao that not co-operating will make things “a lot harder for you”, Dr Dao interjects saying “I’d rather go to jail”.

Confused, the cop questions Dr Dao seeking to clarify what he has said.

“You’d rather go to jail that just get off the plane?” he asks.

“Yeah,” Dr Dao is heard to reply.
Before the clip cuts out, Dr Dao is heard complaining that he has travelled “almost 24 hours” coming from LA, and protests further.

The incident that followed — in which Dr Dao is dragged from his seat by police officers obtaining injuries to his face
http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...e/news-story/086a34ae08b0eb9f34beeea98a22e62b

Not sure where you are from, but most civilised and even uncivilised countries have laws against beating someone to a pulp for doing nothing wrong.
Now did YOU see the video? He was injured as a result of him being pulled out of his seat. He was pulling one way, the security guy was pulling him the other way. Then he gave way and banged his head on the adjacent seat arm rest. He was "violently" dragged because he refused to stand up.
Well, that says it all, I guess
Yes. I believe obeying the law and not putting myself and people I care about in situations where they can be harmed. What about you?
I'm sure he is permanently traumatized. The only spin I see is you demonizing the passenger.
Shit happened. His name was randomly drawn and unfortunately for him, he needed to get of the plane. Let's say he did not get off and allowed to stay. One pilot that was going to take his seat was going to miss his destination and cause a flight cancellation which would affect hundreds of other people. Airlines should be better organized one might say? They are greedy but that industry is very complex and very competitive due to sheer volume of entitled travelers who take air travel for granted.
 
Again, the passenger was repeatedly ordered to get off the plane BY THE POLICE,..
True. Police presence is the sign that the situation has escalated past 'I paid for my ticket'.

Whatever UA is responsible for up to that point - when the police step in and say come with us - you go with them.
 
Again, the passenger was repeatedly ordered to get off the plane BY THE POLICE, then he was forcibly removed from his seat BY THE POLICE. It doesn't matter whether or not he deserved to get kicked out of the plane. If the cops pull you over because the suspect you (and "suspect" is very broad term) and "ask" you to get out of your car. What do you think will happen if you refuse? Try it.


http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...e/news-story/086a34ae08b0eb9f34beeea98a22e62b


Now did YOU see the video? He was injured as a result of him being pulled out of his seat. He was pulling one way, the security guy was pulling him the other way. Then he gave way and banged his head on the adjacent seat arm rest. He was "violently" dragged because he refused to stand up.

Yes. I believe obeying the law and not putting myself and people I care about in situations where they can be harmed. What about you?

Shit happened. His name was randomly drawn and unfortunately for him, he needed to get of the plane. Let's say he did not get off and allowed to stay. One pilot that was going to take his seat was going to miss his destination and cause a flight cancellation which would affect hundreds of other people. Airlines should be better organized one might say? They are greedy but that industry is very complex and very competitive due to sheer volume of entitled travelers who take air travel for granted.

You are really bizarre in how you paint the airlines like almighty gods who are doing favors for their customers. Your logic is totally out of line on several levels.
 
True. Police presence is the sign that the situation has escalated past 'I paid for my ticket'.

Whatever UA is responsible for up to that point - when the police step in and say come with us - you go with them.

Doesnt make it right. Now this should hold airlines accountable so they can review themselves to improve situations where its their mistake before BIG ASS GOVERNMENT AND LAWS HAVE TO GET INVOLVED TO CHANGE THEM. Right?
 
Shit happened. His name was randomly drawn and unfortunately for him, he needed to get of the plane. Let's say he did not get off and allowed to stay. One pilot that was going to take his seat was going to miss his destination and cause a flight cancellation which would affect hundreds of other people.

Shit happens. They're the ones that screwed up and overbooked their own flight. And here's what United Airlines has done to rectify this policy problem of their's in the future:

"United Airlines crew members will no longer be able to bump a passenger who is already seated in one of the airline's planes.

The policy change was first reported by TMZ. A spokesperson for the airline confirms that United has updated its policy "to make sure crews traveling on our aircraft are booked at least 60 minutes prior to departure. This ensures situations like Flight 3411 never happen again."

If the crew member is not booked an hour before the flight, then he or she will have to wait for the next available flight."

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...es-changes-its-policy-on-displacing-customers
 
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He's not doing that.
effectively though that is his argument. that morality or even legality don't come into play. you must submit to their demands. I've seen multiple comments online from lawyers saying what united did was illegal does he care no the airline demanded it so he was required to submit in his view point. like it or not this was assault and dsdsds is just apoligizing for it
 
He was injured as a result of him being pulled out of his seat. He was pulling one way, the security guy was pulling him the other way. Then he gave way and banged his head on the adjacent seat arm rest.

Yes..his face was slammed against the arm rest hard enough to break his nose, knock out teeth, and make him unconscious. That's what the thugs did to him. It was their fault, not his. Hence the lawsuit.

He was "violently" dragged because he refused to stand up.

Bullshit. He couldn't stand up because he was knocked unconscious. There was no refusing about it.
 
Yes. I believe obeying the law and not putting myself and people I care about in situations where they can be harmed. What about you?
than why are slandering united victim and not complaining that united broke the law? the simple fact that you are ignoring in your corporate shilling is that in untied own contract of carriage makes illegal to deplane a boarded passenger for a crew member. along with their own CEO calling the plane fully boarded united and you don't have a pot to piss in.
 
Did they say which law was broken?
Alex
its contract law so not specifically but united was in breach of their contract by forcibly removing him from the plane after he had boarded. of course their also probably going to be held liable for the assault as well. the arguments are semantic but than again contract law and disputes usually are to a certain degree.
 
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