virtual insanity?
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Which of the persons involved made which stupid decision?
sculptor
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Which one didn't make a stupid decision?
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I sorta agree with the expulsion
Somewhat like getting expelled for posting pornography
Also if the kid is gun happy will his virtual gun become real? I see the expulsion as a effort to tone down the gun culture
Mindful though it might piss off the kid and THAT could be a problem
He wasn't expelled. He was suspended for five days. And it wasn't virtual - it was a toy gun he flashed for a moment on camera. Since the teacher could not determine whether or not it was a real gun she notified the principal (as per their school's procedures) and the teacher asked the police to do a welfare check to make sure it wasn't a real gun. It was not. The child is now back in school.
I know, that's not going to generate the outrage you wanted - but accuracy is a good thing sometimes.
sculptor
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The whole thing you invented, the whole thing you accepted from a source that has been lying to you for a long time, the whole thing that happened, the attempt by someone - you, your source, their source, whoever - to spread falsehood to whomever still takes their word for the physical facts of any event they present - - -
or did you have something other than the bogus description you posted in mind, some other "thing" your readers are supposed to provide for themselves based on your hints?
That's my first guess, that last. Anything in particular wrong with it?
Seattle
Valued Senior Member
What is silly is the fact that you posted at all given the facts that Billvon presented.
sculptor
Valued Senior Member
silly
and
maybe racist?
what "sane" person could possibly think that a neon green "zombie hunter" nerf gun
posed a threat to anyone(excepting zombies?)?
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Eeek---oh my god---it's a black kid with a gun----call the cops
(tell the cops that he is armed and dangerous)
then
wash your hands of whatever happens next
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when I posted
"silly"
I was being polite.
and
maybe racist?
what "sane" person could possibly think that a neon green "zombie hunter" nerf gun
posed a threat to anyone(excepting zombies?)?
.................................................................
Eeek---oh my god---it's a black kid with a gun----call the cops
(tell the cops that he is armed and dangerous)
then
wash your hands of whatever happens next
...................................
when I posted
"silly"
I was being polite.
Nope. Again, your attempt to gin up some outrage failed. But the claim of racism was a good try!
Perhaps a teacher who has spent her life learning about teaching, and then teaching children, who has never seen a gun before other than in movies? Who saw it quickly flash across a low-bit-rate Zoom meeting video? Who is more likely to read news stories like this (https://www.10news.com/news/local-news/six-year-old-boy-accidentally-shoots-himself-in-chest) than writeups like this? (https://us.glock.com/en/learn/firearms-education/all-about-pistols) That sort of "sane" person.
If you showed me a woman's shoe I wouldn't be able to tell you the first thing about it. Is the heel unusually high? Is the material a common material? Is the bottom of the shoe unusually small or something? I would have no idea. I have zero experience. A fashion designer might call me insane because she has spent her whole life looking at women's outfits; what idiot didn't know that it was made of Pediamax leather? But that is merely her extrapolating her experience to everyone.
Not everyone is good at telling a fake gun from a real one. Calling for help when one of your students might be at risk is a good call. What are the results of calling for help when it's not needed? Very, very minor - a week's suspension perhaps. What are the results of NOT calling for help when it's needed? Horrific.
She made a good call.
Given that that's not what happened - no, it's not at all like that. But good job race baiting!
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foghorn
Valued Senior Member
Thanks for the link in the OP.silly
and
maybe racist?
what "sane" person could possibly think that a neon green "zombie hunter" nerf gun
posed a threat to anyone(excepting zombies?)?
.................................................................
Eeek---oh my god---it's a black kid with a gun----call the cops
(tell the cops that he is armed and dangerous)
then
wash your hands of whatever happens next
...................................
when I posted
"silly"
I was being polite.
Well, but they're not, are they? They are still teachers, not guests. If the student says "hey go to hell teach!" it's not OK just because it is said in the setting of a home. And if the teacher notices a fire in the background, or sees an attack by someone, they have some responsibility to try to keep the student safe (although far less power to do so.)
There will definitely be a transitional period as teachers adapt to remote teaching. But similar rules will apply to ensure a safe and effective learning environment.
sculptor
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In this case the teacher was reacting as if it happened in a classroom.
Calling the police as if a gun like object had been brought into a school is going to far.
What is in the room a child is using for virtual school is more the parent's decision than the teacher's pick. If the parents want to use a room full of mounted animals and guns that is their choice. Teacher does not get a vote.
I assume that if a guest sees a fire or other threat they would say something but in this case there was no threat.
And why do you think that?
Not if that's the school's policy. It's school - it's not a Youtube video. It is not unreasonable to expect that students conform to certain standards.
You can say that, and stick by that. You could claim it's fine to show pornography in the background, or have naked people walking around because "it's our house and we will do what we damn well please" or having the kid snort white powder for laughs and say "it's just sugar, what the hell is the matter with you people?"
And it is just as valid to say "if the kids don't follow the rules of the school, they get suspended or expelled. Mom does not get a vote." And they have just as much right to do that.
No threat? So 12 year olds are not killed while playing with guns? Reality disagrees.
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/...e-playing-with-gun-in-charles-county/2379148/
https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/local/2020/09/14/12-year-old-boy-killed-in-oak-park-shooting/
https://www.kktv.com/2020/07/23/reports-of-a-child-shot-in-fountain-investigation-underway/
exchemist
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The "guest" idea is baloney. It is the child that is a "guest" on a video call set up by the school, just as they are in the classroom.
There is going to be a transitional period while schoolchildren and their parents adapt to the fact that schools can demand that their rules apply when distanced learning is taking place. It is obvious that in a video call, the children must refrain from fooling around. If it is not stamped on at the start, the teacher can rapidly find that attempts at video teaching get overwhelmed with stupid stunts going on in the background, with everyone giggling instead of learning.
The teacher has only limited means of enforcing discipline when they are at the other end of a wire, rather than being physically present. So while this may have been shock therapy, it will have sent a clear message to everyone else at the school.
If the guardians of the kids in the home do not enforce discipline, when the child is in contact with the teacher doing distance learning, how will they feel when school bands the kid, and guardian is left to do the teaching?
My virtual classroom, my virtual classroom rules
That will include a reasonable blank background and no food