What's the Difference Between Science and Religion?

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Oli said:
Science states quite publicly and openly that science itself cannot answer and therefore does not seek to answer "what caused the big bang".
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If that were true then the majority of scientists would claim to be agnostic which is falsified by experience.

And is "god" any better than "magic" or "witchcraft" as an answer?
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Yes. Prime Mover and First Cause are based upon logic and reason. See Aristotle's Physics Book VIII.
 
OilIsMastery said:
If that were true then the majority of scientists would claim to be agnostic which is falsified by experience.
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The majority of scientists don't bother thinking about god - it doesn't signify.


Yes. Prime Mover and First Cause are based upon logic and reason. See Aristotle's Physics Book VIII.
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Ah, Aristotle... so many errors.
But it even "prime mover" is no better an explanation: it's just a shorthand for "We don't know know but we're ascribing it to some nebulous unprovable "force/ thing/ intelligence/ power".:rolleyes:
 
Oli said:
The majority of scientists don't bother thinking about god
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LOL. Clearly you don't know the majority of scientists.

Ah, Aristotle... so many errors.
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LOL. And so many truths.

But it even "prime mover" is no better an explanation: it's just a shorthand for "We don't know know but we're ascribing it to some nebulous unprovable "force/ thing/ intelligence/ power".:rolleyes:
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We do know because we call the First Cause by a name, namely God. Atheists reject physics, motion, time, and causality which is the opposite of logic and science.
 
The problem with using the prime mover argument is that it applies more so to a God than it does the big bang spontaneously occurring.
 
OilIsMastery said:
I've observed the opposite. Ask a scientist what caused the first motion in the universe, or the Big Bang, and they have no explanation other than something like "magic" or "witchcraft" which is a typical atheist response. Ask a religious person and they have a logical and scientific explanation, namely God.
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But without science you would not be able to ask the question, what caused the first wave.
I could ask you how does your body work?
You would proberly not be able to tell me in simple terms.
If I asked a religious person he would proberly say, god!
And if I asked a doctor he would be able to explain most of what religion could not, but problerly not everything.
So just because science cannot answer all questions yet they keep asking questions and looking for answers, while religion do not and explains everything with GOD!
 
OilIsMastery said:
Sure. The Holy Bible speaks of a place called Egypt that was ruled by people called Pharaohs. That is what the Bible says. Now this is scientific knowledge because you can go there and see for yourself. It's testable and repeatable and one of the millions of confirmed truths in the Holy Bible.
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I see your problem; you don't know what science is.

OK, we've established that, and now I understand why you posed such an idiotic question in the first place.
 
OilIsMastery said:
You don't believe in Egypt?
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It's got nothing to do with Egypt. Your analogy was flawed. Just because a book mentions something that exists, it doesn't make it a science book.

The travel guide I had when I visited Egypt is not a science book; it is a travel guide.

You clearly do no understand science, that is your problem.
 
phlogistician said:
Just because a book mentions something that exists, it doesn't make it a science book.
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And I never claimed otherwise.

The travel guide I had when I visited Egypt is not a science book; it is a travel guide.
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Why isn't your travel guide scientific? I suggest you buy a different travel guide. One that is accurate and works.

You clearly do no understand science, that is your problem.
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And you clearly do not understand metaphysics.
 
OilIsMastery said:
And I never claimed otherwise.
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Now you are being dishonest, you said;

That is what the Bible says. Now this is scientific knowledge
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So that is exactly what you were implying.

Why isn't your travel guide scientific? I suggest you buy a different travel guide. One that is accurate and works.
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A fictional book could name places that really exist, but a work of fiction is not a science book. You clearly do no know what science is.

And you clearly do not understand metaphysics.
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It's what those not intellectually gifted enough to indulge in real science indulge in.
 
phlogistician said:
Now you are being dishonest, you said;

So that is exactly what you were implying.

A fictional book could name places that really exist, but a work of fiction is not a science book. You clearly do no know what science is.
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You are lying now. You're deliberately quoting me out of context in order to construct an elaborate straw man fallacy.

What I actualy said was this:

OilIsMastery said:
Now this is scientific knowledge because you can go there and see for yourself. It's testable and repeatable
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Go back and read the difference between the Bible and Harry Potter.
 
OilIsMastery said:
You are lying now. You're deliberately quoting me out of context in order to construct an elaborate straw man fallacy.
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Straw man? No, just quoting what you have said. It's not scientific knowledge, that's the point. It's geography maybe, history, maybe, but you'll notice both of those subjects studied at University get you a BA, not a BSc, it's not scientific knowledge.

You clearly do no understand what science is, hence your confusion.
 
Maybe I should give up with my analogies on the internet.

I usually find them the best way to teach, but it seems some people here don't want to learn.
 
OilIsMastery said:
Go back and read the difference between the Bible and Harry Potter.
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...there is a difference? Aside for the fact one is written by a traceable author and has a fun story for all ages that few if any are insane enough to take seriously.

I'm sure London is mentioned in Harry Potter, we can test if london exists, and it passes those tests, therefor Harry Potter is real!
 
Matthew Maury [1806-1873]
The "Father" of oceanography
"The Bible is true and science is true, and therefore each, if truly read (understood), but proves the truth of the other."

words in parenthesis were added.
 
Steve100 [1990-present]
Average Joe
"The bible is not true."

no words were added.
 
phlogistician said:
Matthew Maury must have gone mad whilst at sea.
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actually, it was reading the Psalms where it mentions that fish make their way in the paths of the sea that provided the inspiration for his founding the science of oceanography, so no, he wasn't mad. He was a believer in the bible whose faith informed his science with positive results. The evolutionist scientists who devised the now debunked vestial organ theory were mad. The evolutionist scientists in the U.S. who promoted the eugenics movement and inspired Hitler, were mad, and should have been jailed.
 
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