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Who stormed the US Capitol?
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¡Guilty!
Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes has been found guilty of seditious conspiracy.
The implications are massive. What everyone will be seeking so anxiously in coming days is to understand the connections between the conspirators and Donald Trump.
Notes:
Whitehurst, Lindsay, Alanna Durkin Richer, and Michael Kunzelman. "Oath Keepers boss guilty of seditious conspiracy in 1/6 case". Associated Press. 29 November 2022. APNews.com. 29 November 2022. http://bit.ly/3P1H6al
Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes has been found guilty of seditious conspiracy.
The implications are massive. What everyone will be seeking so anxiously in coming days is to understand the connections between the conspirators and Donald Trump.
Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes was convicted Tuesday of seditious conspiracy for a violent plot to overturn Democrat Joe Biden’s presidential win, handing the Justice Department a major victory in its massive prosecution of the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection.
A Washington, D.C., jury found Rhodes guilty of sedition after three days of deliberations in the nearly two-month-long trial that showcased the far-right extremist group’s efforts to keep Republican Donald Trump in the White House at all costs.
The trial revealed new details about Rhodes’ efforts to pressure Trump to fight to stay in White House in the weeks leading up to Jan. 6. Shortly after the election, in a group chat that included Stone called “FOS” or “Friends of Stone,” Rhodes wrote, “So will you step up and push Trump to FINALLY take decisive action?”
Another man testified that after the riot, Rhodes tried to persuade him to pass along a message to Trump that urged the president not to give up his fight to hold onto power. The intermediary — a man who told jurors he had an indirect way to reach the president — recorded his meeting with Rhodes and went to the FBI instead of giving the message to Trump.
“If he’s not going to do the right thing and he’s just gonna let himself be removed illegally then we should have brought rifles,” Rhodes said during that meeting, according to a recording played for jurors. “We should have fixed it right then and there. I’d hang (expletive) Pelosi from the lamppost,” Rhodes said, referring to Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
(Associated Press↱)
____________________A Washington, D.C., jury found Rhodes guilty of sedition after three days of deliberations in the nearly two-month-long trial that showcased the far-right extremist group’s efforts to keep Republican Donald Trump in the White House at all costs.
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The trial revealed new details about Rhodes’ efforts to pressure Trump to fight to stay in White House in the weeks leading up to Jan. 6. Shortly after the election, in a group chat that included Stone called “FOS” or “Friends of Stone,” Rhodes wrote, “So will you step up and push Trump to FINALLY take decisive action?”
Another man testified that after the riot, Rhodes tried to persuade him to pass along a message to Trump that urged the president not to give up his fight to hold onto power. The intermediary — a man who told jurors he had an indirect way to reach the president — recorded his meeting with Rhodes and went to the FBI instead of giving the message to Trump.
“If he’s not going to do the right thing and he’s just gonna let himself be removed illegally then we should have brought rifles,” Rhodes said during that meeting, according to a recording played for jurors. “We should have fixed it right then and there. I’d hang (expletive) Pelosi from the lamppost,” Rhodes said, referring to Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
(Associated Press↱)
Notes:
Whitehurst, Lindsay, Alanna Durkin Richer, and Michael Kunzelman. "Oath Keepers boss guilty of seditious conspiracy in 1/6 case". Associated Press. 29 November 2022. APNews.com. 29 November 2022. http://bit.ly/3P1H6al
So the committee has encouraged charges be made against Trump.
I must admit I am impressed by how Trump has been able to avoid his president-ial vows so far and how many so called patriots have supported him. I guess he will get away with it all ...again.
I must admit I am impressed by how Trump has been able to avoid his president-ial vows so far and how many so called patriots have supported him. I guess he will get away with it all ...again.
There were none. As you already know, the entire thing was personally planned and executed by Biden himself out of a pizza restaurant.
Mod Hat — Xfer notice
Ten posts moved to Trump Watch: The Conservative Condition"↗, a discussion better suited to their particular subject matter.
Ten posts moved to Trump Watch: The Conservative Condition"↗, a discussion better suited to their particular subject matter.
A former FBI agent, whose work included the Benghazi investigation, face four misdemeanor counts for his actions during the January 6 attack against the U.S. Capitol. Jared L. Wise worked for the Bureau for thirteen years, and, per the New York Times↱, left "after his supervisors became unhappy with his work, and his career had stalled".
I say toss a coin on the weird PV/Prince connection. Heads, hey, we have a link in some grand conspiracy. Tails, nah, he's just another former law enforcer who never really was capable of figuring it out. Actually, it's not even a toss. This joker isn't smart enough to be part of a conspiracy. He's also not smart enough to not participate in an insurrection. But he was smart enough to be a law enforcer. Okay, barely, but still.
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Notes:
Goldman, Adam and Alan Feuer. "Former F.B.I. Agent Charged in Jan. 6 Riot". The New York Times. 3 May 2023. NYTimes.com. 3 May 2023. https://bit.ly/3Vy2LtY
Mr. Wise, 50, told the police they were like the Gestapo, Nazi Germany's feared secret police, the complaint said. When violence erupted, he shouted in the direction of rioters attacking the law enforcement officers, "Kill 'em! Kill 'em! Kill 'em!" ....
.... Mr. Wise later joined the conservative group Project Veritas under the supervision of a former British spy, Richard Seddon, who had been recruited by the security contractor Erik Prince to train operatives to infiltrate trade unions, Democratic congressional campaigns and other targets.
At Project Veritas, according to a former employee with direct knowledge of his employment, Mr. Wise used the code name Bendghazi and trained at the Prince family ranch in Wyoming with other recruits. Mr. Wise took part in an operation against a teachers' union and apparently left Project Veritas in mid-2018, the former employee said.
.... Mr. Wise later joined the conservative group Project Veritas under the supervision of a former British spy, Richard Seddon, who had been recruited by the security contractor Erik Prince to train operatives to infiltrate trade unions, Democratic congressional campaigns and other targets.
At Project Veritas, according to a former employee with direct knowledge of his employment, Mr. Wise used the code name Bendghazi and trained at the Prince family ranch in Wyoming with other recruits. Mr. Wise took part in an operation against a teachers' union and apparently left Project Veritas in mid-2018, the former employee said.
I say toss a coin on the weird PV/Prince connection. Heads, hey, we have a link in some grand conspiracy. Tails, nah, he's just another former law enforcer who never really was capable of figuring it out. Actually, it's not even a toss. This joker isn't smart enough to be part of a conspiracy. He's also not smart enough to not participate in an insurrection. But he was smart enough to be a law enforcer. Okay, barely, but still.
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Notes:
Goldman, Adam and Alan Feuer. "Former F.B.I. Agent Charged in Jan. 6 Riot". The New York Times. 3 May 2023. NYTimes.com. 3 May 2023. https://bit.ly/3Vy2LtY
Reporter Scott MacFarlane↱ observes:
Among the Jan 6 defendants who are on the calendar for hearings today in DC federal court:
A former Chicago police officer
A former "Bob's Burgers" actor
A former US President
A former Chicago police officer
A former "Bob's Burgers" actor
A former US President
The Department of Justice continues to pursue Wednesday Putsch suspects; Kyle Cheney↱ notes, "Edward Richmond, Jr., a new Jan. 6 defendant charged w/ assaulting cops at the Capitol, was previously convicted of manslaughter in Iraq."
The Story So Far
Reporter Scott MacFarlane↱ observes:
Reporter Scott MacFarlane↱ observes:
A criminal prosecution unlike any other
1,200 days after Jan 6, 2021 --- there are more than 1,350 defendants
A rate of more than one-arrest-per-day over the course of three years
1,200 days after Jan 6, 2021 --- there are more than 1,350 defendants
A rate of more than one-arrest-per-day over the course of three years
Yep. That's the only possible explanation.
No, wait. The explanation is that they were . . . just tourists sightseeing. No violence! It's the lying left wing media that makes you THINK that there was violence. They were as peaceful as lambs!
Did I say peaceful? What I really meant is that it was Antifa, trying to loot and vandalize our Capitol while they tried to kidnap and kill our government leaders! They deserve to be jailed! Nay, they deserve to be SHOT!
Wait. One _was_ shot? Uh . . .. I can't believe the evil fascists of the government SHOT and KILLED these peaceful protesters! The crooked cop who did that should be ARRESTED on MURDER charges! How dare they kill an innocent woman, doing nothing more than touring the Capitol! They were peaceful! Ignore those videos! FREE THE PEACEFUL PATRIOT PROTESTERS!
Hmm that video DOES look pretty bad. OK how about this - they were all peaceful until evil agent provocateurs from the government riled them up and forced them to riot! So all those Trump supporters were 100% innocent. It's only the liberal agents that should be arrested!
Does that work?
That Was Going To Happen
The inevitability of human frailty:
And this comes three weeks after rightist crackpot icon Edgar Maddison Welch died↗ during a traffic stop in North Carolina.
Hey, do you think the problem might be something about right-wing conspiracists, or have the police just gotten too woke?
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Notes:
Associated Press. "Indiana man pardoned by Trump is fatally shot during traffic stop". 27 January 2025. APNews.com. 27 January 2025. https://apnews.com/article/indiana-...tthew-huttle-8c674e76c8e3c5ef1610ed29d0669050
The inevitability of human frailty:
An Indiana man was fatally shot by a deputy during a traffic stop just days after he was pardoned by President Donald Trump for a misdemeanor related to the 2021 U.S. Capitol riot.
Matthew Huttle, 42, of Hobart was killed Sunday by a Jasper County sheriff’s deputy, authorities said.
State police are investigating. They said the deputy tried to arrest Huttle when “an altercation took place between the suspect and the officer, which resulted in the officer firing his weapon and fatally wounding the suspect.
“The investigation also shows that during the traffic stop, the suspect was in possession of a firearm,” state police added.
No other details were released. Authorities didn’t say what might have prompted the traffic stop ....
.... Nick Barnes, an attorney who was representing Huttle in pending motor vehicle cases in Lake County, said he didn’t know the circumstances of the shooting.
(Associated Press↱)
Matthew Huttle, 42, of Hobart was killed Sunday by a Jasper County sheriff’s deputy, authorities said.
State police are investigating. They said the deputy tried to arrest Huttle when “an altercation took place between the suspect and the officer, which resulted in the officer firing his weapon and fatally wounding the suspect.
“The investigation also shows that during the traffic stop, the suspect was in possession of a firearm,” state police added.
No other details were released. Authorities didn’t say what might have prompted the traffic stop ....
.... Nick Barnes, an attorney who was representing Huttle in pending motor vehicle cases in Lake County, said he didn’t know the circumstances of the shooting.
(Associated Press↱)
And this comes three weeks after rightist crackpot icon Edgar Maddison Welch died↗ during a traffic stop in North Carolina.
Hey, do you think the problem might be something about right-wing conspiracists, or have the police just gotten too woke?
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Notes:
Associated Press. "Indiana man pardoned by Trump is fatally shot during traffic stop". 27 January 2025. APNews.com. 27 January 2025. https://apnews.com/article/indiana-...tthew-huttle-8c674e76c8e3c5ef1610ed29d0669050
Very Fine People
Don't be surprised at the news from The Hill↱
Dovi and guns. Yeah, that sounds about like a reason to overthrow the government.
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Notes:
Lee, Ella. "Man who got Jan. 6 pardon is arrested on federal gun charge". The Hill. 22 January 2025. TheHill.com. 27 January 2025. https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5100384-daniel-ball-arrest-gun-charges-jan-6-pardon/
Don't be surprised at the news from The Hill↱
On Tuesday, Daniel Ball's case tied to the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack was formally dismissed after he received a full pardon from President Trump. But by Wednesday, Ball was arrested once more on a pending federal gun charge.
The Florida man appears to be the first Jan. 6 rioter to face additional legal trouble after the sweeping clemency bestowed on those who rioted at the Capitol as lawmakers sought to certify the results of the 2020 presidential election. His arrest warrant was also the first publicly filed in Washington, D.C., following the start of Trump's second presidency ....
.... In his new indictment, there's no mention of those charges, which Trump wiped from his record. However, Ball's two previous convictions — for domestic violence battery by strangulation in June 2017 and battering and resisting law enforcement with violence in October 2021 — are detailed in the charging papers. He's accused of possessing a firearm as a convicted felon, around May 2023.
Ball is one of more than 1,500 Jan. 6 defendants who saw their charges dismissed with the stroke of Trump's pen Monday in one of the first acts of his second presidency. A handful of Proud Boys and Oath Keepers leaders also saw their sentences commuted to time served as part of the far-reaching clemency action.
The Florida man appears to be the first Jan. 6 rioter to face additional legal trouble after the sweeping clemency bestowed on those who rioted at the Capitol as lawmakers sought to certify the results of the 2020 presidential election. His arrest warrant was also the first publicly filed in Washington, D.C., following the start of Trump's second presidency ....
.... In his new indictment, there's no mention of those charges, which Trump wiped from his record. However, Ball's two previous convictions — for domestic violence battery by strangulation in June 2017 and battering and resisting law enforcement with violence in October 2021 — are detailed in the charging papers. He's accused of possessing a firearm as a convicted felon, around May 2023.
Ball is one of more than 1,500 Jan. 6 defendants who saw their charges dismissed with the stroke of Trump's pen Monday in one of the first acts of his second presidency. A handful of Proud Boys and Oath Keepers leaders also saw their sentences commuted to time served as part of the far-reaching clemency action.
Dovi and guns. Yeah, that sounds about like a reason to overthrow the government.
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Notes:
Lee, Ella. "Man who got Jan. 6 pardon is arrested on federal gun charge". The Hill. 22 January 2025. TheHill.com. 27 January 2025. https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5100384-daniel-ball-arrest-gun-charges-jan-6-pardon/
Again … and Again
The summary via Raw Story↱:
And in totally unrelated news, per WGHP↱:
Such a very, very, very fine folk.
However, it is also true that somewhere along the way to saying this isn't unexpected, there is also an easy route by which it is. That is to say, c'mon, really?
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Notes:
Coats, Doug. "Mint Hill man recently pardoned for Jan. 6 also charged with child pornography, exploitation". WGHP. 28 January 2025. MyFOX8.com. 30 January 2025. https://myfox8.com/news/north-carol...ned-for-jan-6-facing-child-sex-crime-charges/
Hampton, Daniel. "Pardoned J6 rioter who carried Pelosi sign gets 17 years in prison in deadly DUI crash". Raw Story. 29 January 2025. RawStory.com. 30 January 2025. https://www.rawstory.com/trump-pardon-jan-6-2671028148/
The summary via Raw Story↱:
A woman pardoned last week by President Donald Trump for her role in the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol attack was sentenced to 17 years in prison on Wednesday for her role in a deadly drunken driving crash.
Emily Hernandez of Missouri gained fame for holding up a broken sign bearing then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's name that was taken during the Jan. 6 insurrection. She turned herself in to federal authorities in 2022 after being identified as one of the rioters and was sentenced to 30 days in jail. Hernandez was among 1,500 pardoned by Trump last week.
But six days before Hernandez was scheduled to plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge of entering and remaining in a restricted building in that case, she was involved in a fatal crash.
Hernandez was driving the wrong way in the eastbound lanes of Interstate 44 in January 2022 when she crashed into an SUV. Victoria Wilson, 32, was killed in the wreck. Ryan Wilson, 36, was seriously hurt and still walks with a cane, the St. Louis Dispatch reported.
A Franklin County judge sentenced Hernandez to 10 years for Victoria Wilson's death and seven years for Ryan Wilson's injury.
Emily Hernandez of Missouri gained fame for holding up a broken sign bearing then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's name that was taken during the Jan. 6 insurrection. She turned herself in to federal authorities in 2022 after being identified as one of the rioters and was sentenced to 30 days in jail. Hernandez was among 1,500 pardoned by Trump last week.
But six days before Hernandez was scheduled to plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge of entering and remaining in a restricted building in that case, she was involved in a fatal crash.
Hernandez was driving the wrong way in the eastbound lanes of Interstate 44 in January 2022 when she crashed into an SUV. Victoria Wilson, 32, was killed in the wreck. Ryan Wilson, 36, was seriously hurt and still walks with a cane, the St. Louis Dispatch reported.
A Franklin County judge sentenced Hernandez to 10 years for Victoria Wilson's death and seven years for Ryan Wilson's injury.
And in totally unrelated news, per WGHP↱:
A Mint Hill man who was pardoned for his conviction from the Jan. 6, 2021, U.S. Capitol attack was also arrested last fall on child pornography charges.
According to the federal court documents, the FBI and Mint Hill Police carried out a search warrant in November 2023 for the home of David Daniel related to the Jan. 6 allegations. During the search on assault and trespassing charges, agents also recovered his iPhone and several other electronic devices.
Federal investigators were made aware that Mint Hill PD had an open case regarding an alleged sexual assault of a minor. The minor, who was under the age of 12, accused Daniel of taking pictures of her while naked between 2015 and 2019, forcing her to shower with him and performing sexual acts.
A federal search warrant authorized reviewing the electronics seized from the local investigation. The federal affidavit says the contents of a laptop were consistent with the minor's statements during the forensic interview.
Furthermore, there was an open statutory rape investigation in Forsyth County. During a review of the iPhone seized, the records indicate sexual images of a second minor were observed.
Daniel was charged and arrested on Sept. 20, 2024, on possession of child pornography and sexual exploitation of a minor related to sexual assault and trafficking of child pornography.
According to the federal court documents, the FBI and Mint Hill Police carried out a search warrant in November 2023 for the home of David Daniel related to the Jan. 6 allegations. During the search on assault and trespassing charges, agents also recovered his iPhone and several other electronic devices.
Federal investigators were made aware that Mint Hill PD had an open case regarding an alleged sexual assault of a minor. The minor, who was under the age of 12, accused Daniel of taking pictures of her while naked between 2015 and 2019, forcing her to shower with him and performing sexual acts.
A federal search warrant authorized reviewing the electronics seized from the local investigation. The federal affidavit says the contents of a laptop were consistent with the minor's statements during the forensic interview.
Furthermore, there was an open statutory rape investigation in Forsyth County. During a review of the iPhone seized, the records indicate sexual images of a second minor were observed.
Daniel was charged and arrested on Sept. 20, 2024, on possession of child pornography and sexual exploitation of a minor related to sexual assault and trafficking of child pornography.
Such a very, very, very fine folk.
However, it is also true that somewhere along the way to saying this isn't unexpected, there is also an easy route by which it is. That is to say, c'mon, really?
____________________
Notes:
Coats, Doug. "Mint Hill man recently pardoned for Jan. 6 also charged with child pornography, exploitation". WGHP. 28 January 2025. MyFOX8.com. 30 January 2025. https://myfox8.com/news/north-carol...ned-for-jan-6-facing-child-sex-crime-charges/
Hampton, Daniel. "Pardoned J6 rioter who carried Pelosi sign gets 17 years in prison in deadly DUI crash". Raw Story. 29 January 2025. RawStory.com. 30 January 2025. https://www.rawstory.com/trump-pardon-jan-6-2671028148/
For a bit of balance, it's also worth posting about Pamela Hemphill, who refused the pardon:
"Accepting a pardon would only insult the Capitol police officers, rule of law and, of course, our nation," she said. "I pleaded guilty because I was guilty, and accepting a pardon also would serve to contribute to their gaslighting and false narrative."
- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvged988377o
"Accepting a pardon would only insult the Capitol police officers, rule of law and, of course, our nation," she said. "I pleaded guilty because I was guilty, and accepting a pardon also would serve to contribute to their gaslighting and false narrative."
- https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvged988377o
sculptor
Valued Senior Member
perhaps
This ain't what Abraham Lincoln had in mind when he said:
"that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
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who stormed the capitol?
US citizens stormed the capitol.
This ain't what Abraham Lincoln had in mind when he said:
"that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
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who stormed the capitol?
US citizens stormed the capitol.
Yes, and if their grievances were legitimate--that the election was, in fact, stolen, then they would be patriots. As their grievances were not legitimate--the election was not stolen and this is extensively documented--they are simply domestic terrorists, assailants and murderers (in at least one instance).
sculptor
Valued Senior Member
Right. But there is such a thing as objective truth no matter what FOX News says. And objectively the election was not stolen.
If you really want someone you know dead, you could wait until they come to your house sometime and just shoot them dead, claiming they were an intruder and you feared for your life. But even though you described that as a feeling, it would not be objectively true - and you would go to jail for their murder.
Speaking at a recent conference for House Republicans in Miami, Trump suggested sending convicted repeat offenders overseas, claiming it would reduce the US government's burden from the high costs of incarceration.
“If they’ve been arrested many, many times, they’re repeat offenders by many numbers, I want them out of our country,” Trump said during his speech. “We’re going to get approval, hopefully, to get them the hell out of our country, along with others — let them be brought to a foreign land and maintained by others for a very small fee.”
Yet, Trump pardons 1500 felons.