That's about like saying why is it the man's fault that the woman becomes really bitchy for a few days a month.
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why do women do this?
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That's about like saying why is it the man's fault that the woman becomes really bitchy for a few days a month.
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Me thinks...
its because most of us men are pigs, and most of you women actually have some self control in that department. Women are not the type who go out of their way brag about who they slept with, while for men its a new trophy.
Let me over emphasize the word most, because there are exceptions in both department, and by the nature of this thread if I don't do so someone will begin to flame me.
yep. I think if men used a bit more self-control and showed some restraint....well. I bet when the guy finally said 'oh, all right' that sex would be phenomenal. She would bring her A-game.
Me thinks...
its because most of us men are pigs, and most of you women actually have some self control in that department. Women are not the type who go out of their way brag about who they slept with, while for men its a new trophy.
Let me over emphasize the word most, because there are exceptions in both department, and by the nature of this thread if I don't do so someone will begin to flame me.
Oh fuck that dude.
I'll correct it by saying that most women 'say' they have self control. Just because women don't brag about who they've slept with doesn't mean a damn thing. It's been proven that women cheat just as much as men do. They just tend to keep it quieter, which tells me that they are shady pigs rather than 'out in the open' pigs.
Not when there are hundreds of thousands of other women out there that won't make him use that self control.
I'm not advocating it, just stating facts. They're called options. And it works on almost every level out there.
If one car dealership doesn't give you exactly what you want, what do you do? You go find another one that will.
If one restaurant doesn't have what you want to eat, what do you do? Go find another one.
Orly, especially in this day and age, people do not want to and are not going to wait.
Fair enough, I see where you are coming from but,
Assuming you are attractive, go ask 20 random girls to screw you. You will get slapped, sued and kicked in the nuts for practically all of them.
Now have a hot girl do the same and see how different her response is...
I am by no means implying that women are angels in relationships, we are just talking about whos more willing to give it up first.
make him?? the woman has to make a man control himself? :bugeye:
I bet when that happens, she's a controlling bitch or a tease.
What is she, his mommy?pfffft, I don't even think she has to be hot.
no... probably not.
You're preaching to the choir. I'm well aware of what you are getting at.
Well let's see if the guy wants to sleep with the woman bad enough and she tells him he has to wait, and he does, then yeah. I think that's pretty much exactly how it goes.
That's why I responded with 'there are plenty of other girls who won't make him wait (or use his self control or whatever).'
I'm assuming by your stupid ass questions that my Barney level analogies were yet again way too much for your intellect?
She can be whatever she wants to be but it still wouldn't prevent him (might even encourage him) to go on to the next girl.
and I'm assuming by your hostility that you need to get laid. or you need to buy another dog cuz you ain't gettin near enough loving.
...or not having to deal with internet forum members incessantly making idiotic and presumptuous statements would also do wonders for my hostility too.
Sure, I'll go and try to get laid, only to have the woman tell me at the last minute 'I'm not ready'.
hmm, I don't let what other people say control me like that.
I guess that makes you my bitch.
Mrs.Lucysnow
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Oh Shut-up Mike that last post wasn't directed towards you so why don't you find your own cause to avenge. My adolescent rebel!
Chris:I was just wondering why she changed her mind. Are you done with making things more complicated than they really are?
This isn't complicated. We change our minds, sometimes for a variety of reasons, sometimes for no reason. It could be whim, it could be game (to make you want her more). It doesn't matter why she changed her mind. And its frankly amusing that that one little move on her part has your mind all twisted with question marks! Its a sign that you have been seduced. This isn't complicated either ask her out on a second date or not! Better yet, ask her out and ask her why yourself? But you would never do that would you. Haha! I am not suggesting you should either.
Chris
h I am so sorry Sherlock, I did not know I could not speak about this in the Free Thoughts sections of an internet forum. If you don't like frat house talk, then don't join the conversation. Its that simple.
Who said you couldn't or shouldnt bring it up? I was making an observation which is the right of anyone on an open forum. If you dont like the responses then keep the personal to yourself and pm a friend. ITS THAT SIMPLE!
Chris: I was expecting this to be a 2 page discussion...
You're a world of expectations!
Chris:What you are complaining about is not just with me, you are complaining about the general norm that if a man has sex on a first date, or if a man has sex with 10 women in a month, then people think he's cool and the usual response is "good job". However if a woman does the exact same thing she gets a more negative response, people will think she is slutty etc...
NO ONE IS COMPLAINING!!! I MADE AN OBSERVATION! You are the one who had the complaint, you are the one who went home with blueballs and is asking why why why. You are the one who complains she teased your cock! The fact of the matter is that your above statement doesn't apply to this girl because you DIDN'T have sex with her, so she isn't a slut is she...or rather I will say she didn't play the slut with you. Fact is that she is in control of the circumstances not you, you say this is normal. Well then why are you bothered? She will act when, how and if she chooses. Not knowing how to seduce you will just have to wait. And just to clue you only in college or high school do other men think its cool to have sex with 10 women in a month. Most men would either think another man SHARING such a thing is either: lying or paying for it (sign that somethings wrong with him). Either way its not a show of virility as it would be at 19 or 20 as boys sit around a keg, its a sign that something is wrong. A woman wouldn't need to sleep with 10 men in a month unless she is a prostitute so its a little outside of normal experience to use the above as an example.
Chris: I do not know why we choose to govern ourselves this way and I do see the fallacy, in fact I had discussed this with friends a long time ago and am very aware of it, I just came to accept it.
Okay stop pretending as if you really care about the generalizations or double-standards that govern gender sexuality. The thread didn't address this at all but lets pretend you do care. You say:
"am willing to betcha a million dollars that if a woman goes on a date with 50 guys and offers sex every time, she will get laid at least 45 times. And most of the guys who say shit like "oh no I would never do that" are either lying or just insecure. I would argue that only a very small percentage of them would actually think its wrong and would hold themselves up to it, props for them I guess... Now, lets turn this around, if a man goes on a date with 50 women and offers sex everytime, he will get laid maybe like what? 8 times max? It is generally accepted that women chose when to have sex, while men just always wanna do it."
Ok Chris I am going to try this one more time: If you believe the above then why are you asking why she wouldnt have sex with you? Why? If she had sex with you you would have thought her a slut, right? DO YOU GET IT NOW!!! NO ONE IS COMPLAINING! ITS YOUR QUESTIONS AND MUSINGS THAT ARE ABSURD GIVEN WHAT YOU SAY YOU KNOW ABOUT MOTIVATION.
Chris:If a girl plays hard to get, men automatically like her and respect her more. I don't know why and I do not understand it myself, but I am a sucker for it and its really annoying. Its amazing just how many girls I have not gone for because they acted too desperate or easy to get, maybe there is something wrong with me, but I doubt it, as this happens with people all around me all the time. Unlike them though I admit it.
Okay Chris so she did the right thing. You think she did the right thing by denying you sex. SO AGAIN...WHY DO YOU ASK 'WHY DID SHE CHANGE HER MIND?' Why ask such an absurd question when you admit you would think of her as a 'slut' if she had. What is there to question? less even discuss? Unless of course you wanted to flaunt your situation which again I say is the response of a young man who isn't accustomed to such adventures. Its a scenerio Casanova would have thought a yawn so please don't go on about what 'most men' would do or think, you don't know what men would do, you are not there yet, you are still practicing and figuring it all out. This is not a put down simply an observation based on what you say and the circumstance you outlined. No need for a watson to collaborate.
Chris: If a girl plays hard to get, men automatically like her and respect her more. I don't know why and I do not understand it myself, but I am a sucker for it and its really annoying. Its amazing just how many girls I have not gone for because they acted too desperate or easy to get, maybe there is something wrong with me, but I doubt it, as this happens with people all around me all the time. Unlike them though I admit it.Thats what I meant by respecting her, she held herself up, and showed that maybe she wants to wait it out. She showed me that she just doesn't give it up for anyone and maybe there will be some more meaning to anything developing between us. I am not saying that sleeping with someone means nothing can develop, but I do know that sex can be much more emotional for some, and maybe they only want to share it with people they care about. That's all, and that's what made me "respect" her more, and its the reason why I would prefer keeping in touch with her than a girl I barely know who just puts out, whom I would just call to get laid here and there.
Has it occurred to you that perhaps this woman is a better gamester than yourself and has more experience? You ask her out, she gives you a bit of a nibble and then retreats and sends you home to nurse your balls. Now you are online discussing the little question marks running around your head, now you are positing questions answers to which you say you have. It seems as though she is,wittingly or unwittingly the seductress and you are the seduced. She is the one who is pulling your string and in control of the situation...not you! So either you can expect she will get bored because you are too easily managed, or she will obey the 'rules' and pull you into a long-term love relationship grabbing hold of you mind, heart and loins. Its a game, all seductions are games but you don't know that because you are just 'dating' you are unaware. And you have the nerve to imply she needs 'defending'. Ha!
Rules of seduction by Robert Greene:
A. approach indirectly
B. send mixed signals
C. Appear to be an object of desire
Looks as if she has you between B & C
Chris:I was just wondering why she changed her mind. Are you done with making things more complicated than they really are?
This isn't complicated. We change our minds, sometimes for a variety of reasons, sometimes for no reason. It could be whim, it could be game (to make you want her more). It doesn't matter why she changed her mind. And its frankly amusing that that one little move on her part has your mind all twisted with question marks! Its a sign that you have been seduced. This isn't complicated either ask her out on a second date or not! Better yet, ask her out and ask her why yourself? But you would never do that would you. Haha! I am not suggesting you should either.
Chris
h I am so sorry Sherlock, I did not know I could not speak about this in the Free Thoughts sections of an internet forum. If you don't like frat house talk, then don't join the conversation. Its that simple. Who said you couldn't or shouldnt bring it up? I was making an observation which is the right of anyone on an open forum. If you dont like the responses then keep the personal to yourself and pm a friend. ITS THAT SIMPLE!
Chris: I was expecting this to be a 2 page discussion...
You're a world of expectations!
Chris:What you are complaining about is not just with me, you are complaining about the general norm that if a man has sex on a first date, or if a man has sex with 10 women in a month, then people think he's cool and the usual response is "good job". However if a woman does the exact same thing she gets a more negative response, people will think she is slutty etc...
NO ONE IS COMPLAINING!!! I MADE AN OBSERVATION! You are the one who had the complaint, you are the one who went home with blueballs and is asking why why why. You are the one who complains she teased your cock! The fact of the matter is that your above statement doesn't apply to this girl because you DIDN'T have sex with her, so she isn't a slut is she...or rather I will say she didn't play the slut with you. Fact is that she is in control of the circumstances not you, you say this is normal. Well then why are you bothered? She will act when, how and if she chooses. Not knowing how to seduce you will just have to wait. And just to clue you only in college or high school do other men think its cool to have sex with 10 women in a month. Most men would either think another man SHARING such a thing is either: lying or paying for it (sign that somethings wrong with him). Either way its not a show of virility as it would be at 19 or 20 as boys sit around a keg, its a sign that something is wrong. A woman wouldn't need to sleep with 10 men in a month unless she is a prostitute so its a little outside of normal experience to use the above as an example.
Chris: I do not know why we choose to govern ourselves this way and I do see the fallacy, in fact I had discussed this with friends a long time ago and am very aware of it, I just came to accept it.
Okay stop pretending as if you really care about the generalizations or double-standards that govern gender sexuality. The thread didn't address this at all but lets pretend you do care. You say:
"am willing to betcha a million dollars that if a woman goes on a date with 50 guys and offers sex every time, she will get laid at least 45 times. And most of the guys who say shit like "oh no I would never do that" are either lying or just insecure. I would argue that only a very small percentage of them would actually think its wrong and would hold themselves up to it, props for them I guess... Now, lets turn this around, if a man goes on a date with 50 women and offers sex everytime, he will get laid maybe like what? 8 times max? It is generally accepted that women chose when to have sex, while men just always wanna do it."
Ok Chris I am going to try this one more time: If you believe the above then why are you asking why she wouldnt have sex with you? Why? If she had sex with you you would have thought her a slut, right? DO YOU GET IT NOW!!! NO ONE IS COMPLAINING! ITS YOUR QUESTIONS AND MUSINGS THAT ARE ABSURD GIVEN WHAT YOU SAY YOU KNOW ABOUT MOTIVATION.
Chris:If a girl plays hard to get, men automatically like her and respect her more. I don't know why and I do not understand it myself, but I am a sucker for it and its really annoying. Its amazing just how many girls I have not gone for because they acted too desperate or easy to get, maybe there is something wrong with me, but I doubt it, as this happens with people all around me all the time. Unlike them though I admit it.
Okay Chris so she did the right thing. You think she did the right thing by denying you sex. SO AGAIN...WHY DO YOU ASK 'WHY DID SHE CHANGE HER MIND?' Why ask such an absurd question when you admit you would think of her as a 'slut' if she had. What is there to question? less even discuss? Unless of course you wanted to flaunt your situation which again I say is the response of a young man who isn't accustomed to such adventures. Its a scenerio Casanova would have thought a yawn so please don't go on about what 'most men' would do or think, you don't know what men would do, you are not there yet, you are still practicing and figuring it all out. This is not a put down simply an observation based on what you say and the circumstance you outlined. No need for a watson to collaborate.
Chris: If a girl plays hard to get, men automatically like her and respect her more. I don't know why and I do not understand it myself, but I am a sucker for it and its really annoying. Its amazing just how many girls I have not gone for because they acted too desperate or easy to get, maybe there is something wrong with me, but I doubt it, as this happens with people all around me all the time. Unlike them though I admit it.Thats what I meant by respecting her, she held herself up, and showed that maybe she wants to wait it out. She showed me that she just doesn't give it up for anyone and maybe there will be some more meaning to anything developing between us. I am not saying that sleeping with someone means nothing can develop, but I do know that sex can be much more emotional for some, and maybe they only want to share it with people they care about. That's all, and that's what made me "respect" her more, and its the reason why I would prefer keeping in touch with her than a girl I barely know who just puts out, whom I would just call to get laid here and there.
Has it occurred to you that perhaps this woman is a better gamester than yourself and has more experience? You ask her out, she gives you a bit of a nibble and then retreats and sends you home to nurse your balls. Now you are online discussing the little question marks running around your head, now you are positing questions answers to which you say you have. It seems as though she is,wittingly or unwittingly the seductress and you are the seduced. She is the one who is pulling your string and in control of the situation...not you! So either you can expect she will get bored because you are too easily managed, or she will obey the 'rules' and pull you into a long-term love relationship grabbing hold of you mind, heart and loins. Its a game, all seductions are games but you don't know that because you are just 'dating' you are unaware. And you have the nerve to imply she needs 'defending'. Ha!
Rules of seduction by Robert Greene:
A. approach indirectly
B. send mixed signals
C. Appear to be an object of desire
Looks as if she has you between B & C
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Mrs.Lucysnow
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Oh TalkandJive have a heart! How could we sit here and watch the poor boy twisting in the wind like that.
I so could. And I'd need a cigarette afterwards!
Mrs.Lucysnow
Valued Senior Member
Mikey's Rant: Playing hard to get is one of the biggest turn offs for me. I know for a fact that if a woman really likes a man, she isn't going to make it that hard for him. She might be subtle about it but she won't play hard to get. I have better things to do with my time than chase a woman playing hard to get. I don't like the desparate ones either. But if they are somewhat busy with their life, the won't need to play hard to get. There are umpteen ways to 'play hard to get'; not returning phone calls when you are supposed to, showing up late for dates, sending mixed signals (heavily fliratious one minute, cold shoulder the next)...I could go on and on w/o even including the last minute 'I'm not ready' crap, on the list.
Typology of the Anti-Seducers by Robert Greene
"Anti-seducers come in many shapes and kinds, but almost all of them share a single attribute, the source of their repellence: insecurity. We are all insecure, and we suffer for it. Yet we are able to surmount these feelings at times; a seductive engagement can bring us out of our usual self-absorbtion, and to the degree that we seduce or are seduced, we feel charged and confident. Anti-seducers, however, are insecure to such a degree that they cannot be drawn into the seductive process. Their needs, their anxieties, their self-consciousness close them off. They interpret the slightest ambiguity on your part as a slight to their ego; they see the merest hint of withdrawal as a betrayal, and are likely to complain bitterly about it.
Anti-seducers repel, so be repelled-avoid them. Unfortunately, however, many anti-seducers cannot be detected as such at first glance. You must look for clues to their self-involvement and insecurity; perhaps they are ungenerous, or they argue with unusual tenacity, or are excessively judgemental."
THE ART OF SEDUCTION
Typology of the Anti-Seducers by Robert Greene
"Anti-seducers come in many shapes and kinds, but almost all of them share a single attribute, the source of their repellence: insecurity. We are all insecure, and we suffer for it. Yet we are able to surmount these feelings at times; a seductive engagement can bring us out of our usual self-absorbtion, and to the degree that we seduce or are seduced, we feel charged and confident. Anti-seducers, however, are insecure to such a degree that they cannot be drawn into the seductive process. Their needs, their anxieties, their self-consciousness close them off. They interpret the slightest ambiguity on your part as a slight to their ego; they see the merest hint of withdrawal as a betrayal, and are likely to complain bitterly about it.
Anti-seducers repel, so be repelled-avoid them. Unfortunately, however, many anti-seducers cannot be detected as such at first glance. You must look for clues to their self-involvement and insecurity; perhaps they are ungenerous, or they argue with unusual tenacity, or are excessively judgemental."
THE ART OF SEDUCTION
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