Youv'e clearly made you'r case... an to cut to the chase... George Floyd comitted suicide.!!!
Why George Floyd matters?
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Youv'e clearly made you'r case... an to cut to the chase... George Floyd comitted suicide.!!!
Seattle
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I can't ever really say that you've "clearly" made you case but you've made your point, I suppose.
A lil' neck-kneeing has been a time-accepted and proven method of safely restraining all manner of individuals, including white female geriatrics. My parents used to do it to me all the time, they taught me right n' good and now I do it whenever I see little kids getting out of line.
Now we need to investigate the Washington Post and NY Times coverups that have hidden this crucial truth from the public in order to further incite treason.
Not at all. Heck, they don't even treat 75 year old white guys well who are doing nothing wrong. (Fortunately that guy is still alive.) That should be fixed, too.
Blacks got mistreated plenty as well. It just never made the news; violence towards blacks was way more accepted.
In 1892 a black man was lynched near NYC. A policeman tried to stop it; they tried to lynch him, too. Eight people carried it out. They were identified by police. When the case went to a grand jury the jury did not return an indictment. They said it had been carried out by "by person or persons unknown".
Oh, I think a big part of it was that Italian and Irish kids became cops. And after one generation they looked like any other American. Hard to kill an Irish guy you arrest if you don't know he's Irish.
Or of plain old, unjustifiable racism.
Seattle
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What is the easier fix. Stop committing all the violent crime or making life "fair" for a minority group that looks different from the majority group?
Do minority groups that don't blend in fair well in any country? True, that still racism but which is the easier demonstrable fix? Spitting into the wind has never been a good solution.
The latter is far easier to achieve because it doesn't require a firm, unyielding commitment from 100% of the population, just a clear majority. For starters, there should be no difference in public school quality by neighbourhood.
The latter. You will never, ever stop all violent crime. It might be possible to make life fair for a minority. Very difficult, but possible with enough time.
South African whites have fared quite well. South African blacks - less so.
Seattle
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You will never stop all violent crime but you should be able to change society enough so that black violence isn't the predominant violence in an area.
If violence was not seemingly heavily skewed toward blacks in a particular area you wouldn't see as much "driving while black" stops, for instance. If it was just as likely to be robbed by a white dude in a particular area as a black dude the cops would be treating white dudes a lot worse.
Right, and that starts with the average black person having equal opportunities and representation in American society, of which they currently have neither.
I think it's much easier to start by firing all the cops with a negative bias towards minorities and jailing those who violate legal protocols.
OR... an im not speekin for Seattle... but Seattle has done fine in life an i suspect its because he pulled hisself up by his own bootstraps... an just like he deserves his rewards for makin good life choices... the people who didnt pull therself up continue to whine about ever little thang... an the botton line is that they deserve the unequal opportunities that they brang on themselfs.!!!
"When life hands you obstacles... overcom 'em... its as simple as that.!!!"
~ Said the well-to-do man.!!!
Or Seattle got lucky , being at the right place at the right time . And being able to take advantage of that opportunity to the fullest .
Some obstacles are insurmountable .
You can't use Skubadive gear to go a kilometer down into the ocean .
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Seattle
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I agree with your latter point about cops.
Your first point I disagree with largely. Some people still have their racial biases, sure, that's true the world over. If you look at blacks in the corporate world or in my neighborhood or in middle class neighborhoods where there isn't a large black violence problem, they do as well and are treated just like anyone else.
If you could go into every "ghetto" and get every child from parents on drugs and pay them not to have kids and pay them to go to college and pay them not to move back to those ghettos, in a generation much of the "black" problem would be over.
That's not practical for many reasons of course but that's where most of the issues stem from. It doesn't matter so much why it's happening, slavery legacy, poor economic conditions, racism, lack of self-help, etc.
The way things are going it's gradually improving so you either continue with more of the same or you do something more targeted to speed the process up. The answer isn't reparations, more marches, more police training, etc. More police accountability, sure.
Seattle
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The injustice largely comes about from their lack of money.
It's entirely possible for the police to arrest a disproportionate number of black people in rough neighbourhoods, if the statistics truly merit it, and still treat everyone as equals under the law. Educated law-abiding black people are saying they frequently have intimidating, unpleasant encounters with the police and don't feel fully accepted in society for what they are, so it's not just poor people with no job opportunities complaining. There's also a huge funding gap for black students vs. white students in public schools due to discrimination by neighbourhood, a near total lack of adequate health care, difficulty navigating bureaucracies and being able to vote in a reasonable and timely manner, a lack of positive role models being promoted for them by American society, social and cultural expectations that limit their chances for success, wage gaps for people working the same jobs...
Ignoring the historic roots of the situation entirely, the fact is that it's not overall beneficial to a society to be treating its citizens according to different standards based on their ethnic and cultural background, nor to allocate disproportionate government funding and support towards one group of future tax payers over another. You can't judge a person's success independent of the personal circumstances they may or may not have had to overcome in their lives, as if a healthy person who gets to spend 20 minutes commuting to work on an express highway should be compared side by side to someone who can't afford a decent doctor and has to ride a stinky crowded bus for 1.5 hours each way to make the same trip.
Seattle
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You can take this too far as an excuse however. Very few people need to see a doctor frequently so that not relevant. Is it a meaningful distinction between a decent doctor and a lower quality doctor?
I've worked in a office downtown and took a bus to work. It didn't stink. It was cheaper and faster than taking my car and having to find parking.
Black people worked in my office, they were paid the same and rode the same bus that I did. They lived in the same neighborhoods. My next door neighbor is black.
The average middle class educated black person is treated the same as anyone else unless they come into contact with the police and some are treated differently. That needs to change obviously.
They are treated differently in that case because of prejudices against blacks based on who is committing the crimes in that area.
Voting, bureaucracies, these aren't real issues. If you don't vote and don't interact with bureaucracies at all you'll still do fine. Let's look at the real issues which are living in large families where there is no money and where drug abuse is prevalent.
Eliminate that and you've eliminated much of the problem.
sculptor
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a little free advice:
but first, a brief introduction
When I took my degree in psychology, it was broadly believed in the psychological community and literature that
The most strident and vociferous antihomosexual the speech, the most likely it was that the speaker was covering for the shame and guilt that he felt for his own homosexual feelings and tendencies.
ok, with me so far?
and
This maxim most likely holds true for a broad range of human emotions and interactions.
Those who constantly thump the racism drum are most likely engaging in projection or transference.
If you would end racism
stop shouting it, and
(here's the advice)
look deep into your soul and purge yourself of racist tendencies.
but first, a brief introduction
When I took my degree in psychology, it was broadly believed in the psychological community and literature that
The most strident and vociferous antihomosexual the speech, the most likely it was that the speaker was covering for the shame and guilt that he felt for his own homosexual feelings and tendencies.
ok, with me so far?
and
This maxim most likely holds true for a broad range of human emotions and interactions.
Those who constantly thump the racism drum are most likely engaging in projection or transference.
If you would end racism
stop shouting it, and
(here's the advice)
look deep into your soul and purge yourself of racist tendencies.
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Good ponts... plus... now is not realy the best time to talk about racism... black people just need to be more patient.!!!