Womens Rights.!!!

[billvon]

As a matter of fact, they are able to outlaw those things, and frequently do. In the case of gay marriage, for example, community attitudes are gradually evolving in some countries.

That's one reason we have a Constitution and a Supreme Court; so that local communities cannot deny people important rights, even if the majority of the community does not like interracial marriage (or blacks, or women.) However that doesn't always work.

On the matter of whether communities should be allowed to set their own standards, I would ask: who else will do it if they don't?

See above.

 

[James R]

billvon,

All the people in the US have, at least in theory, agreed to cede certain rights of self-determination to the federal government, the Supreme Court and other federal institutions. This makes for some level of consistency in laws across the states, which is generally thought to be an advantage. But as you are aware, even the states can differ radically on certain social issues - let alone small communities within those states.

 

[billvon]

All the people in the US have, at least in theory, agreed to cede certain rights of self-determination to the federal government, the Supreme Court and other federal institutions. This makes for some level of consistency in laws across the states, which is generally thought to be an advantage. But as you are aware, even the states can differ radically on certain social issues - let alone small communities within those states.

Agreed. It is also generally thought to be an advantage to have a system to protect minorities from "the tyranny of the majority." Which is why it is important (IMO) to place individual rights above "general community standards."

 

[cluelusshusbund]

Shoud adult women have the right to go topless anyplace a man can.???

I answered "No."

These kinds of things should be determined by general community standards, and I don't think that we're at the point where a majority of the public would accept topless females in all of the same circumstances that they currently accept topless males.

Myself... i answrd "Yes".!!!

I thank women shoud have equal rights no mater what a majority of the community thanks.!!!

 

[Tiassa]

Except such a policy would be seen as "discriminatory" if it was okay to be "nude in public"

The restaurant protocols are health issues. The decriminalization of public nudity will not make the microbes living in your ass hair disappear. Although the change would drive a new interior design theory as people got rid of any fabric anywhere on any sitting surface.

There are asses out there even I wouldn't get close to. At some point, I want to crack (ha!) a "holy shit!" joke, but it isn't (ahem!) coming together.

Oh, right. This thread is ostensibly about women's rights.

I was feeling done in; couldn't win I'd only ever kissed before. I thought there's no use getting into heavy petting; it only leads to trouble ... and seat-wetting.

―Janet Weiss​

Now, then ... hey, what? A woman has every right to be randomly aroused, and need not apologize if her body chooses that moment at the steak house to cleanse itself in that way for any reason.

We might consider two groups of people out of everyone in the room at that point: Those who don't want to be anywhere near that seat after she leaves, and those who will fight over who gets to sit there next.

Like I said, it's a health thing.

To the other, I don't eat at Dairy Queen. Something about aesthetics goes here, though I might mention such ideas as Spandex® as a privilege and not a right in order to remind that our abstractions would not be applied in a vacuum.

And turning our eyes from thoughts of naked, wet women—morbidly obese or otherwise—I might simply throw two seemingly random words out to make the point: uncircumcised bear.

Aesthetics are one thing; there does, however, come a point at which people's psyches are scarred.

We're talking chaos worse than Ghostbusters, here.

And, really, if we're going to undertake that degree of collective psychotherapy, it really ought to be for something more useful than showing up at the office naked and wondering which nipple to clamp the ID tag to.

Which raises a completely fictitious word, a new brand of office gear: Fren-U-Tack.

Yeah, I can do this routine all night, which is to say nearly as long as I can ... er ... ah ... right. We'll let that one pass.

 

[Kittamaru]

The restaurant protocols are health issues. The decriminalization of public nudity will not make the microbes living in your ass hair disappear. Although the change would drive a new interior design theory as people got rid of any fabric anywhere on any sitting surface.

While you and I and other rational individuals know that to be a simple fact (no matter how well you may shower and clean yourself) - some people will take SERIOUS offense to claiming that any part of them is somehow "dirty" - yes, even the part of them that excretes stinky brown steamers *shrugs* People are crazy yo

 

[sculptor]

Maybe it's just me;
but when I see the title to this thread, I think:
"And lefts too", she said, while delivering a vicious uppercut to the chin.

 

[Liebling]

The restaurant protocols are health issues. The decriminalization of public nudity will not make the microbes living in your ass hair disappear. Although the change would drive a new interior design theory as people got rid of any fabric anywhere on any sitting surface.

I agree with you on this one, it's probably the reason we evolved and started to wear bottoms to begin with. They even do it in primitive cultures as well, usually only the bottom and it has two evolutionary effects; The predators can't smell you from a mile away and it also prevents the spread of diseases like cholera/ebola/e-coli etc that are feces adjacent and also sexually transmitted diseases.

There is also a philosophy behind disgust that we have adopted pretty heavily and it includes hair (body hair or head hair) probably based on diseases that are spread via lice/flease/crabs/scabies and other pests but so long standing that they have become physical disgust for many cultures/people. Americans like to think that the removal of all body hair is a construct of current popular culture and related to some sort of privileged patriarchy but there are many cultures throughout history who used various hair removal tools, both male and female to reduce their smell to predators and to help prevent the spread of disease.

I don't think it's just brain power that made homo-sapiens survive any other upright primate and I don't think that it's a mistake that we've evolved over time to have less and less hair in general.

As for breasts, there are plenty of cultures where the displaying of breasts is completely acceptable and even commonplace. When I lived in Germany, many of the spas and swim-badens were topless and/or clothing optional. In America at least, we are a puritan abomination driven by people who wrote books centuries ago that tried to control men (not women as most assert) knowing that men have issues with self-control when it comes to woman and female figures. It was fear of the possibility of a woman so powerful she could charm any man to be subversive to her feminitity that makes them cower even today if their ideology and sense of self is even on a little bit shaky ground.

The fact that most men are distracted by breasts is not a surprise, as men now associate not being clothed with an invitation for affection. The analogy earlier in the thread to a man walking down the street naked with his bits hanging out wasn't a good analogy. But if a woman saw a man walking down the street looking at her and he was erect, then that would be a completely different story. She would take that as a sign that he was interested in her and would be way more likely to be distracted by it.

 

[Kittamaru]

I agree with you on this one, it's probably the reason we evolved and started to wear bottoms to begin with. They even do it in primitive cultures as well, usually only the bottom and it has two evolutionary effects; The predators can't smell you from a mile away and it also prevents the spread of diseases like cholera/ebola/e-coli etc that are feces adjacent and also sexually transmitted diseases.

There is also a philosophy behind disgust that we have adopted pretty heavily and it includes hair (body hair or head hair) probably based on diseases that are spread via lice/flease/crabs/scabies and other pests but so long standing that they have become physical disgust for many cultures/people. Americans like to think that the removal of all body hair is a construct of current popular culture and related to some sort of privileged patriarchy but there are many cultures throughout history who used various hair removal tools, both male and female to reduce their smell to predators and to help prevent the spread of disease.

I don't think it's just brain power that made homo-sapiens survive any other upright primate and I don't think that it's a mistake that we've evolved over time to have less and less hair in general.

As for breasts, there are plenty of cultures where the displaying of breasts is completely acceptable and even commonplace. When I lived in Germany, many of the spas and swim-badens were topless and/or clothing optional. In America at least, we are a puritan abomination driven by people who wrote books centuries ago that tried to control men (not women as most assert) knowing that men have issues with self-control when it comes to woman and female figures. It was fear of the possibility of a woman so powerful she could charm any man to be subversive to her feminitity that makes them cower even today if their ideology and sense of self is even on a little bit shaky ground.

The fact that most men are distracted by breasts is not a surprise, as men now associate not being clothed with an invitation for affection. The analogy earlier in the thread to a man walking down the street naked with his bits hanging out wasn't a good analogy. But if a woman saw a man walking down the street looking at her and he was erect, then that would be a completely different story. She would take that as a sign that he was interested in her and would be way more likely to be distracted by it.

Am I weird that I dont' find breasts to be any more attractive than the rest of the body? Then again, I've already concluded that I'm sapiosexual so ... meh?

 

[Liebling]

I dunno, I'm bi and have always found the female breast to be a beautiful thing. I like nipples in general though no matter the wearer, so it really just accentuates something I always find fun to play with.

 

[James R]

Absolutely not. Men if they are real men, have sexual desire and is a natural and a healthy response to women's sexuality. If you will have naked women walking everywhere than what will happen is that the men who have these sexual desires will be provoked to act upon them...

So women should cover up because men can't control themselves. That's your argument, is it?

What's wrong with these men?

It is a BIOLOGICAL response to want sex and having the sexual need to a woman who is acting in such a manner. Women have been provoking men for the entire civilization of humanity, the means have changed slightly, but it is with sexuality that a woman keeps a man at her bay. You want to unleash such a powerful weapon on a man and disregard the needs of a man entirely. Is wrong. No one is forced to look? SEX is in the mind first of all.

Oh, so now it's the women who have the real power over all those weak men who lack self-control. But apparently not the power to say "no" if a man is "provoked to act upon" his sexual desires.

Hmm...

 

[Kittamaru]

I dunno, I'm bi and have always found the female breast to be a beautiful thing. I like nipples in general though no matter the wearer, so it really just accentuates something I always find fun to play with.

Oh, don't get me wrong - I'm not saying I don't fancy a nice rack - a good pair of fun jugs is always pleasant on the eyes... but if the whole package isn't there (looks, personality, intelligence, respect, etc) it just... I dunno, just doesn't do it for me

 

[Tiassa]

I dunno, just doesn't do it for me

I'm using your post because it's the latest in this section of the thread.

The question, though, is general: On the subject of women's breasts in a sexual context: Be honest, guys, how many of you have a clue what to do with them?

To the one, if I don't trust what I hear from the women I've been with, that's all about my own criteria, and it's not worth contextualizing the difference between then and now, one or the other.

However, while it was not beyond my capacity to make such encounters pleasurable for the women I was with, the thing about the breasts is that it always seemed like the women were kindly and patiently enduring a certain amount of silliness during that part of the foreplay.

Then again, I also remember when the T/F was popular in pornography and tavern talk, and I have no idea what was going through either participant's head while performing the act. I can certainly invent some ideas, but no, in truth it's one of the silliest sexual acts I've ever witnessed.

 

[sculptor]

I've seen a lot of naked women, always looking for perfection, and finding it in small places.
One has a perfect neck, another a belly, another a foot, another a nipple, another a smile, etc.....
One evening after the work while I was cleaning up and she was dressing, I told the model for this one:
"Wow, this is kinky, I been staring at you naked for 3 hours, and now that you're pulling on your panties, I'm getting a hardon". When working, I just never noticed just how sexy she was.

 

[youreyes]

So women should cover up because men can't control themselves. That's your argument, is it?

What's wrong with these men?



Oh, so now it's the women who have the real power over all those weak men who lack self-control. But apparently not the power to say "no" if a man is "provoked to act upon" his sexual desires.

Hmm...

James R, what exactly are you proposing? Allowing naked women to walk anywhere? Please elaborate your POV.

 

[Kittamaru]

James R, what exactly are you proposing? Allowing naked women to walk anywhere? Please elaborate your POV.

I think the point is that men and women (and, well, really, any sapient human being) should control their primal urges instead of acting on them irrationally...

 

[cluelusshusbund]

For those who ant seen the poll results... so far 69% thank:::

Adult women shoud have the right to go topless anyplace a man can.!!!

 

[sculptor]

For those who ant seen the poll results... so far 69% thank:::

Adult women shoud have the right to go topless anyplace a man can.!!!

And
Many of us would like to see them exercising that right!

 

[James R]

James R, what exactly are you proposing? Allowing naked women to walk anywhere? Please elaborate your POV.

Recall that I voted "no" in the poll.

I'm not proposing anything. I just responded to the poll.

 

[Liebling]

And
Many of us would like to see them exercising that right!

Me too, maybe more men and boys will understand that those implants they see in all the magazines and ads are really not natural at all. Pretty, but mostly not real.

I suspect however that even though we might have the right to go topless, about as many women will do it as men. It's not like I ever see a topless man walking down the streets of Chicago. On the beach, sometimes but even the runners and bikers have tops on. Skin cancer is a bitch.