World Cup 2010 - one thread to rule them all

Tuesday - June 21
France - South Africa - Draw 1-1
Mexico - Uruguay - Uruguay 2-1
Greece - Argentina - Argentina 3-1
Nigeria - N. Korea - N. Korea 2-0

Wednesday - June 22
USA - Algeria - USA 3-0
Slovenia - England - England 1-0
Australia - Serbia - Serbia - 3-1
Ghana - Germany - Germany 5-0
 
Anti-Flag said:
The scores of the last games will be important.
From the fifa website:

a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
b) goal difference in all group matches;
c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.

If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria,
their rankings will be determined as follows:

d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between the
teams concerned;
e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the teams
concerned;
f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the teams
concerned;
g) drawing of lots by the FIFA Organising Committee.
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Yes, I'm aware of what the rules state.
But consider, Slovakia held the all whites to a 1-1 draw, and the All Whites held Italy to a 1-1 draw, so IF (and I did qualify it with this if) Slovakia holds Italy to a draw, do you think it's likely to be more than a 1-1 draw?

I'd love to see Italy go down to Slovakia in a 0-0 draw, but I don't think that's likely. Similarly, I don't see the allwhites holding paraguay to a 0-0 draw, and I likewise don't see them scoring more than one or two goals.
 
Trippy said:
This statement leads me to ask: Have you ever actually played soccer?
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i don´t know where you are from (looking at your biased posts, i´d say nz), but in my country, there are pretty few people that haven´t played football. still fact is - i´ve seen such a massive use of elbows only from nz players.
intentionally or not is not the question. of course it can and will happen, but if it happens to such an excessive amount like one could witness in nz games, it shows, that they confuse football and rugby. and you confuse a solid defense and fanboy-gibberish, if you speak about diving italians when i tell you about nz´s brutal gameplay.
 
sweet Pentax said:
i don´t know where you are from (looking at your biased posts, i´d say nz), but in my country, there are pretty few people that haven´t played football.
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You've talked around the question without actually answering it.

sweet Pentax said:
still fact is - i´ve seen such a massive use of elbows only from nz players.
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I disagree. And I know, for example (or at least I believe anyway) that a British ref would have treated the game very differently, and would not have handed out that many yellow cards.

sweet Pentax said:
intentionally or not is not the question. of course it can and will happen, but if it happens to such an excessive amount like one could witness in nz games, it shows, that they confuse football and rugby. and you confuse a solid defense and fanboy-gibberish, if you speak about diving italians when i tell you about nz´s brutal gameplay.
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In otherwords, you're making assumptions, and retaliating, and being insulting based on those assumptions, while completely ignoring the fact that I've also commented on the Italian theatrics during Paraguay v Italy.

I commented on De Rossi's performance during that game as well, and you said "What performance" and then proceeded to assume that I was referring to the events leading up to Italy's goal in that game.

A wrong assumption.
De Rossi takes a dive in Italy v Paraguay
The difference being that that ref didn't fall for it and issue a yellow card.

You want to talk about shirt pulling in your video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbetxO5aqSo
Let's talk about the physics of that situation shall we.
Like the fact that the NZ player is behind De Rossi, and pulling him backwards (if we assume he's actually pulling at all) and yet some how de rossi manages to fall forwards, as if pushed, rather than backwards as expected from a pull.
 
Looks like no African teams in the next round, unless Ghana can get a result against the mighty Germans.

I still hold out some hope.
 
Black Jack said:
As for Group Predictions:

A: Mexico - Uruguay CONFIRMED
B: Argentina - N. Korea CONFIRMED
C: USA - England CONFIRMED
D: Germany - Serbia GERMANY CONFIRMED GHANA Advances rather than Serbia
E: Netherlands - Denmark Netherlands Confirmed, Hedging bets on Denmark
F: Paraguay - Italy
G: Brazil - Portugal Brazil Confirmed, Portugal in good position to advance
H: Spain - Chile Chile Confirmed, Hedging bets on Spain
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Tomorrow's going to be exciting!!!! :xctd:
 
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I would just like to make the minor, and probably final point that the only thing that can be reasonably infered from my position is that I find the Italian theatrics in the tournament more questionable than NZ's 'use of elbows', and that I have found Batres' performance in the tournament questionable.

Addendum:
Nothing in Law 12 of FIFA's competition rules for 2010/2011 explicitly states that Rory Fallons conduct was illegal, it comes down to how risk averse the referee is, and whether or not the referee considers it dangerous.

Do I think that Fallon made himself an easy target for Italian theatrics by leading with his elbows when he was in the air? Of course I do.
Does that excuse the Italian theatrics? Of course not.
Do I think that the Italian Theatrics were an example of poor sportsmanship? Yes.
Do I think that the NZ side were excessively brutal? I'm going to wait until the results of NZ v Paraguay before I decide that (If I make that decision) because I am of the opinion that the statistics are suggestive and support my view.

NZ v Slovakia: 17 fouls, 2 yellow cards against NZ v 15 Fouls, 1 yellow card against Slovakia.
Italy v Paraguay: 15 Fouls, 1 yellow card against Italy v 15 Fouls, 1 yellow card against Paraguay.
NZ V Italy: 25 fouls, 3 yellow cards against NZ v 11 Fouls, 0 yellow cards against Italy.
According to FIFA the average number of fouls in a competition match is 15.
 
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Yakubu is an excellent player...some of the time. If this isn't the miss of the tournament I'll eat my hat:
 
Trippy said:
Do I think that Fallon made himself an easy target for Italian theatrics by leading with his elbows when he was in the air? Of course I do.
Does that excuse the Italian theatrics? Of course not.
Do I think that the Italian Theatrics were an example of poor sportsmanship? Yes.
Do I think that the NZ side were excessively brutal? I'm going to wait until the results of NZ v Paraguay before I decide that (If I make that decision) because I am of the opinion that the statistics are suggestive and support my view.
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nice monolog you´re having there. just hope you´ll never disagree with yourself :D
the difference between the use of an elbow and some theatre is that only one of both things can hurt the opponent physically. complaining about diving italy as answer to my claim, that nz plays too rough, is a pretty childish discussing style. glad that you´ll have more time to improve that after nz next game, because it will be their last perfomance :)
enough time wasted ....
 
Italy's bullshit, pathetic theatrics (they're not the only ones) are disgusting.
I find it extremely incongruous that supposedly proud nations like Italy and France can condone for one second the completely juvenile, cheating and frankly sissy behaviours of their 'heroic' teams.

The Kiwis have acquitted themselves superbly, a brilliant, honest competitive and combative effort. A flying limb in an attempt to achieve some height in a leap is not a vindictive act. Trying to gain an advantage by cheating flies in the face of all sporting endeavour. Fuck the Europeans and their gutless semantics.

I can tell you, as someone from a nation which does regular battle on the sporting field with our closest neighbour that New Zealand (like South Africa, think cricket and Rugby) always give an honest, sporting and intense account of themselves.

New Zealand, like Australia and South Africa frequently 'punch above their weight'. That referees seem to be conned by cheap theatrics is completely galling.

Bye bye France. What a bunch of fucking detestable wankers. See ya later.

Australia need a minor miracle (and to have eleven players) to progress from here.

Go Anzacs.
 
England - Slovenia, then Australia - Serbia then Germany - Ghana.
All knockout rounds!!

England on death's door, Australia need a miracle, Germany look safe.
 
Trippy said:
Yes, I'm aware of what the rules state.
But consider, Slovakia held the all whites to a 1-1 draw, and the All Whites held Italy to a 1-1 draw, so IF (and I did qualify it with this if) Slovakia holds Italy to a draw, do you think it's likely to be more than a 1-1 draw?

I'd love to see Italy go down to Slovakia in a 0-0 draw, but I don't think that's likely. Similarly, I don't see the allwhites holding paraguay to a 0-0 draw, and I likewise don't see them scoring more than one or two goals.
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I don't think it's likely that the results will finish in such a way that it requires the drawing of lots after all of the above has been considered. I'm sure it has to happen eventually, but it's designed to be incredibly unlikely.
 
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