Can a preacher be sincere and intelligent and still perform his duties?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Seattle, Oct 31, 2019.

  1. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    I defer to your judgment on that subject, Captain. (However, if one might venture a comment on sir's attire...)
    He would defer to one's judgment on this, as on many other subjects.
     
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  3. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I give him a pass. After all he had a dream.
     
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  5. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I'm from the Iceaura school. Anyone who doesn't agree with me is a wingnut who is either lying or stupid.
     
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  7. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    so we're starting another humour thread here?

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  8. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Hey now, this is serious business! First we can spend many posts addressing the way you have chosen to spell humor. Next throw in the bandar-log reference (why, I don't know) and address why this isn't really funny. End it all by accusing everyone else of calling names while pointing out how stupid they are and letting us all know that I'm not really having a melt down, I'm not upset, who me?

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  9. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    ROTFLMFAO
    ya just made me baptise the dog with coffee...

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  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    I note no mention of the latest Flying Spaghetti Monster Religion

    Shame on you

    I wrote the above before I read the posts following the one I quoted

    Shame on me

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  11. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Dickens made exactly the same observation about these self-appointed men of God. See Mr Chadband in Bleak House: "A large yellow man, with a fat smile and an appearance of having a good deal of train oil in his system"

    https://www.litcharts.com/lit/bleak-house/characters/mr-chadband

    Plus ça change.......
     
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  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    In Australia no need to even have a wedding

    Live together 6 months and you are deemed, by the government, to be married

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  13. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    People don't marry in church to make it legal - they do it to please their families and get the approval of their community.
    They can do it just as well, in a secular community, by going to city hall, or having a guru at their beach party or whatever kind of ceremony suits their life-style. The rites of passage vary greatly by culture, but all cultures have some ritual to mark the passages.
    PS I don't think pastafarians are any more special than scientologists; I wasn't going to list (let alone read up on!) all the fringe religions and cults in America, so I stuck to the obvious ones that sway the largest number of people.
     
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  14. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Addendum: I looked up "train oil" and found it has nothing to do with railways but is an old word for oil from a marine mammal e.g. sperm whale, which was widely used for a variety of purposes. The etymology appears to be from Dutch traan. (In fact, when I first started working in the lubes business, in 1978 there was still a very small amount of sulphurised sperm whale oil used, as an additive, mostly for lubricating plain bronze bearings, which funnily enough, were used on the axles of old-fashioned railway wagons.

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    At Shell we were well down the road to substituting this with synthetic alternatives.)
     
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  15. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    it's called common law marriage (or sui juris) here in the US and it's recognised by the legal system in some states still, but only a few. It's been in steady decline in western cultures since the Council of Trent in 1563 ruled that no marriage would be valid in the eyes of the Church unless it was solemnised by a priest.
    whereas this is true, it's also not complete. Many marry in the church because the church is (typically) legally able to sign the marriage certificate.

    In order to legally marry a couple you have to either be a Notary Public, religious or public leader (Mayor, Justice of the Peace, Governer, Supreme court judge, official appointed for that purpose by the quorum court of the county where the marriage is to be solemnized, etc), or somehow given permission by the state allowing you to perform whatever ceremony is required, which includes the signing of the legal marriage certificate. In order for the marriage certificate to be legally binding, it absolutely must be signed by someone on the county clerk's list in our county (which is likely similar in most places). Getting on the list isn't all that hard though as it only requires presentation of certification or ordination to the county clerk and ensuring the people to be married have the license.


    Hey now! At least we know Pastafarianism is a farcical view of religion and that it's all just made up!
    LOL
     
  16. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    Ok, I just saw this shared and I felt this was a good place to share it
    It may not reflect what we see in the world with "religions of peace", but it sure is something worth considering!
     
  17. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    And that distinguishes it from Scientology - how, exactly?
     
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  18. Truck Captain Stumpy The Right Honourable Reverend Truck Captain Valued Senior Member

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    LMFAO

    the key is "we know" ... Scientologists take it seriously.

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    perhaps I should have said that we readily admit it?
    LOL
     
  19. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Scientology, as a made-up religion, still behaves approximately like a religion. Pastafariansim is a supremacist movement masquerading as a religion.

    But they're also generally similar if we limit our description to the idea of using fake religion to hurt the religious. Scientology is a vice of its inventor and founders and leadership. Pastafarianism is a vice of the flock.
     
  20. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    I'm just glad Tom Cruise still looks and acts great. As long as that continues I think Scientology is fantastic.
     
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  21. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Their differences don't matter in this context: what they have in common is not being mainstream. I left them out, along a number of legitimate spiritual practices, because I can't easily get data on them, as I can on the established, accepted mainstream ones, and don't want to comment from a position of ignorance.
     
  22. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    He acts crazy. His acting is pretty good. Looks...dyed hair on a diminutive frame...whatever.
     
  23. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    You sound like a stalker. Do you enjoy the Mission Impossible movies? I think they're brilliant, so in my life Tom Cruise is all I'm interested in in this context.
     

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