Yes that hurts God grately... but he somehow seems to manage as long as the tithes keep comin in.!!!
Yes... an im much more leary of those who are sure.!!!
Did God answer prayer for healing?
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Dicart
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I dont understand, i never had to pay God anything.
That would be silly.
Its like if a child would give back his father the pocket money at fathers birthday.
God is the one who gave us our soul and who created the environnement where we can evolve.
You can not just give Him back a part of this environment if you want to please Him.
Perhaps i was not clear.
I dident say that you can't be sure, but in most case it is better if you are not.
It depend on how you react if you are sure.
If the knowing that God is real dont change anything in your behavior and you are already doing thing right (you dont fear nor attend a reward), you can be sure that God is real.
This is, in my opinion, because God dont want you to lie, He wants you to be like you are.
Well... i have paid tithes... im in my 70s... an God has provided me wit a easy life wit much happyness (thank you Jesus).!!!
The only way you can be is "like you are"... an if how you are dont pass Gods judgement you will wind up in hell.!!!
Dicart
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I dont think so.
Many poeple never become "who they are".
I remember my father saying to to me as i was a child : The greatest sin is to not become the who we are.
This is a matter of concern for many :
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...s/201810/how-be-yourself-in-five-simple-stepsPsychologyToday said:
cluelusshusbund said:
Do you think that ?
No, if per example you can't live in a world where nobody kill anyone, you have instead to live in a world where killing is "a standard".
If you think power is what rule the world, on earth you are at the right place.
And so on.
Earth is already some sort of Hell...
(Look how Nature works, everybody is eating everybody to survive).
Have you ever been who you are.???
It is Holey-Bible Fact.!!!
This is how God chose to create life... an it is good.!!!
Dicart
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Sure, at birth you are.
After that, like any, i changed, then, like some, i changed again trying to become again the who i am.
cluelusshusbund said:
Dicart said:
In my opinion.
So i have to repeat myself : But you are already in Hell.
I dont disagree about the fact you mention : It is God who judge if your place is in hell or not.
In the hell (the many hell with almost the same properties) you can lie, and there can be contradiction between your spirit and your body (i mean soul is the interface between the soul and the body).
Hell is a place of destruction, everything is refined, eternaly transformed and as you know when your teeth are growing that includes pain.
Resistance to change is pain.
Why is it showed like a lake of fire or a zone of darkness ?
Because, you only need to raise your eyes to the sky to understand : Here is the sun.
Matter can not pass thrue the sun to escape hell, but spirit can (and there are Angels that permit you to pass or not depending of if "your name" (your soul, the part of Adam that you incarnate) is in the book of life or not).
The heat or brightness or fire as you prefer to name, coming from the Sun, is change to the matter that is in contradiction with its light coming from behind the sun, the light of heaven (because behind the sun is the other world, the heaven).
The contradiction between the light coming from the Kingdom of Heaven and the matter in hell produce the painfull eternal change you are talking about.
cluelusshusbund said:
Yes, technicaly hell "is a good thing", but not "good" in term of kindness, his purpose is to permit you to live in and to reject it.
But this is not how God created life in heaven, life you see here in hell is constituted by matter "corrupted by Satan" or better say matter that not accept to act exactly like God want.
And no, if you see all the pain and suffering in the world (and you know it if you care about) you know it is not good.
Satan is matter, he is the Angel who use his free will to act not exactly as how God exepected (other Angels are doing exactly what God is waiting from them)
He refused to "bow before" the Man (the other creation of God), and to serve him (by preserving his body i suppose).
What... specifically... do you need to change to be "who you are".???
Dicart
Registered Senior Member
Think by yourself.
Dicart
Registered Senior Member
And dont forget to be curious about others toughts.
https://wisdomquotes.com/albert-einstein-quotes/
Albert Einstein
The search for truth is more precious than its possession.
Don’t listen to the person who has the answers; listen to the person who has the questions.
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.
I want to know God’s thoughts; the rest are details.
Try not to become a man of success but rather to become a man of value.
God is subtle but he is not malicious.
Where there’s a will there’s a way.
When the solution is simple, God is answering.
Coincidence is God’s way of remaining anonymous.
A person starts to live when he can live outside himself
A person who is religiously enlightened appears to me to be one who has, to the best of his ability, liberated himself from the fetters of his selfish desires and is preoccupied with thoughts, feelings, and aspirations to which he clings because of their superpersonal value.
A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?
Mankind invented the atomic bomb, but no mouse would ever construct a mousetrap.
Wisdom is not a product of schooling but of the lifelong attempt to acquire it.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it.
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18.
Live with purpose. Don’t let people or things around you get you down.
I believe in one thing, that only a life lived for others is a life worth living
I speak to everyone in the same way, whether he is the garbage man or the president of the university.
A man’s value to the community depends primarily on how far his feelings, thoughts, and actions are directed towards promoting the good of his fellows.
Be creative, but make sure that what you create is not a curse for mankind.
A spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe, a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.
The theme that I recognize in Galileo’s work, is the passionate fight against any kind of dogma based on authority.
Success comes from curiosity, concentration, perseverance and self-criticism.
Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts.
Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.
The true value of a human being is determined primarily by the measure and the sense in which he has attained liberation from the self.
Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions.
A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be
I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a somewhat new kind of religion.
True religion is real living; living with all one’s soul, with all one’s goodness and righteousness.
My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality.
I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation and is but a reflection of human frailty.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.
He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
It is my view that the vegetarian manner of living by its purely physical effect on the human temperament would most beneficially influence the lot of mankind.
I always love to quote Albert Einstein because nobody dares contradict him. Studs Terkel
https://wisdomquotes.com/albert-einstein-quotes/
Albert Einstein
The search for truth is more precious than its possession.
Don’t listen to the person who has the answers; listen to the person who has the questions.
If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed.
Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.
I want to know God’s thoughts; the rest are details.
Try not to become a man of success but rather to become a man of value.
God is subtle but he is not malicious.
Where there’s a will there’s a way.
When the solution is simple, God is answering.
Coincidence is God’s way of remaining anonymous.
A person starts to live when he can live outside himself
A person who is religiously enlightened appears to me to be one who has, to the best of his ability, liberated himself from the fetters of his selfish desires and is preoccupied with thoughts, feelings, and aspirations to which he clings because of their superpersonal value.
A question that sometimes drives me hazy: am I or are the others crazy?
Mankind invented the atomic bomb, but no mouse would ever construct a mousetrap.
Wisdom is not a product of schooling but of the lifelong attempt to acquire it.
Whoever is careless with the truth in small matters cannot be trusted with important matters.
Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it.
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age 18.
Live with purpose. Don’t let people or things around you get you down.
I believe in one thing, that only a life lived for others is a life worth living
I speak to everyone in the same way, whether he is the garbage man or the president of the university.
A man’s value to the community depends primarily on how far his feelings, thoughts, and actions are directed towards promoting the good of his fellows.
Be creative, but make sure that what you create is not a curse for mankind.
A spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe, a spirit vastly superior to that of man, and one in the face of which we with our modest powers must feel humble.
The theme that I recognize in Galileo’s work, is the passionate fight against any kind of dogma based on authority.
Success comes from curiosity, concentration, perseverance and self-criticism.
Few are those who see with their own eyes and feel with their own hearts.
Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new.
The true value of a human being is determined primarily by the measure and the sense in which he has attained liberation from the self.
Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are even incapable of forming such opinions.
A man should look for what is, and not for what he thinks should be
I am a deeply religious nonbeliever. This is a somewhat new kind of religion.
True religion is real living; living with all one’s soul, with all one’s goodness and righteousness.
My religiosity consists in a humble admiration of the infinitely superior spirit that reveals itself in the little that we, with our weak and transitory understanding, can comprehend of reality.
I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation and is but a reflection of human frailty.
Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods.
He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice.
It is my view that the vegetarian manner of living by its purely physical effect on the human temperament would most beneficially influence the lot of mankind.
I always love to quote Albert Einstein because nobody dares contradict him. Studs Terkel
Ive always been myself... what are you lacking... or need to change to be "who you are".???
Dicart
Registered Senior Member
No need of anything.
I just mention my own experience on that subject (and it seems, if you try to understand it by using per example the psychology studies, that i am not the only who asks himself the question "Who am i").
And with my own experience, i observed that people around me , family, friends, society and even the world itself, have a real impact on who i am.
The choices i made in that case, the automatisms that instals, have direct impact on my free will.
So it is a real matter of concern, in my opinion, because free will, the most previous thing i have, could be altered from that.
You are sure you are free ?
Are you doing things because you want that others agree with you or because it is "how you are" ?
Do you accept to be a worthless asshole ?
Can you say me what is you greatest quality, in your opinion ?
Yes many people are confused… an sinse you are not in need of anythang... like me… you are "who you are”.!!!
Prolly you’r genes also have a direct impact on you’r free will… huh.!!!
I have zero free will that i know of.!!!
Everthang i do is in my own best interest.!!!
Yes… i accept that others have various opinions of me.!!!
My humility… in spite of bein ruggedly handsome… havin a very high IQ… an not knowin of anybody who is more sane than me.!!!
Dicart
Registered Senior Member
No, you think you are not in need of anything, you are not not in need of anything.
Thats because you think all you have around you is due to you, but it is not.
The world around you is a creation and "you", "the real you" , the spiritual being, capable of thinking witout matter and without body, benefit of this world.
Imagin yourself without anything around you, in the void : There is no time, you are eternal, most of all your thoughts are total useless in this environnment, because there is no use of your toughts in an environnment where there is no things (and so many tought are thing oriented...)
Therefore, without the creation, you are useless.
If you would live "some time" (time is just depending on your tougths) in this void you would be very very gratefull to God our Creator :
1) To have give us a soul (or you wouldnt even exist).
2) To have give us a world where our sinfull toughts can be usefull, for ourself at least.
Living some time in this kind of world (a void) would be scary, but it helps you to distinguish the thought that is directly related to yourself (the real you...) and those related to the world.
Love toughts dont need a world around you, so it is in mankinds soul, part of our "real me".
No, genes have nothing to do with the spirit.
Genes is matter, spirit is not material.
You dont need a body to think .
You probably dont agree, but if you dident experienced it by yourself, you can take a look at the numerous NDE (Near Death Experience).
It is possible to have free will and not be aware of that.
So is your best own interrest the maintain of your physical body or the maintain of your spirit ?
Yes, me too, i dont care about what other say of me.
I already know who i am, how can other better know than me who is "the real me" ?
Thats the joke i supposed you would do if you wouldn't answer the question, and you did (or are you serious ?)
Myself, the greatest quality i want to maintain is my goodness.
God (and Jesus of course) is the only that can understand what i have "in my hearth" and this is a quality that nobody can take away from you, not even the passing of time (IQ an strength decline while time is running).
Dicart
Registered Senior Member
cluelusshusbund said:
How can you thank things that are juste here for no reason ?
You want to thank Nature ? The random ? The Destiny ?
It is a non sens.
Your genes and the environnment are Gods creation and if you want to thank someone, so thank God.
cluelusshusbund said:
No magic here, only experienced facts.
As a baby, the whole world looks like there is some magic acting here, then as you grow, it appear as "normal".
cluelusshusbund said:
I think you dont understand fully what free will represents.
This concept include "free" and "will".
You seem to understand "free" but you forget "will".
Will power (and power depend on training) give you the ability to have prevalence onto matter, the matter you are make of at least.
You have theoricaly superiority on Satan (a Gods creation), you are a Man and you have been created superior to Satan.
Satan, here, try to proove that you dont have the will to be superior to him, so you want to be his slave and you dont want to make efforts by challenging Satan, therefore rejecting God.
So, there is, during your life, a constant battle between what the beast "inside" you want (because the matter you are mad of, limit the expression of your spirit (matter is not the source of the spirit, therefore.... you understand that there is no use of matter to think)) and what the "who you are" want.
cluelusshusbund said:
It is the church who has invented the concept of superstition so as to distinguish true religion with chamanish believe and false gods.
So if you dont belief in superstition you at least have one point in commoon with the church.
cluelusshusbund said:
There is no sens to compare intelligences as you do, because intelligence is not a quality, but a ponctual expression.
There is no intelligence, there is only proof of intelligence.
Sometime you say something foolish, other times something of value.
So you can eventualy make some sort of average but i am not sure this sort of quantification can be reliabled if the goal is to answer a particular question.
Also, you can be very clever too by just answering questions randomly, if you are "lucky".
Something is certain.
There are plenty of people who can answer some specialised questions by far more better than me, plenty other who are better looking and certainly plenty other that have better emotional control as me (and so forth).
But why these useless questions ?
If you need to be in a particular situation the cleverest, the strongest, or be totaly invulnerable, and it is Gods will, so you are.
I dont know the reason thangs are here… an i dont make up beleifs about it… or believe stuff other people made up about it.!!!
Should i thank the God you believe in… or some other God.???
As a kid i was taut that ther was Jesus... God… devil an angels;;; wasnt fact then an ant fact now.!!!
I dont reject God or the horrible creatures he is said to have created... i just dont have beliefs in Gods devils witches demons… etc.!!!
Yeah… diferent churches tend to beleive that its the other churches who have false beleifes.!!!
Did God help you to find the true religion/Church.???
So do you know anybody who is more sane than you.???
If Gods will is in control then i have no complaints cause he has provided me wit a grate life.!!!
In a biblical passage I read the sisters of a dude called Lazarus, told Jesus that God will listen to him, implying that if Jesus arrived to their house days early, then he might prayed to God and God will heal sick Lazarus.
Why the sisters of Lazarus said that? Why it "has" to be Jesus the one praying and God consenting and healing?
Why those two sisters or any man or woman in that town didn't pray asking God to heal sick Lazarus to keep him alive? Probably they tried but it didn't work.
In another biblical passage it says a claim that God won't listen to sinners.
Plus, there is also a biblical passage saying God will have mercy on who he will have mercy.
Then, here are some clues to understand what was going on in the case with the Christian cancer patient. There are some conditions needed to be met in order to start asking help from God. And even if you fulfill or you don't fulfill the requirements, the last word comes from God's will.
So, you can try "your luck", but remember that God is not to "obey you". And totally the contrary, to make thinks to work, you better obey God first and then ask.
Thanks Luchito… that was fascinating an spot on.!!!
The Holey-Bible has the answrs for those who have faith.!!!
Prollem is… the younger generation wastes time on the Dungens an Dragons witchcraft game instead of studyin scriptures.!!!
I know which of those two things I'd rather be doing.
No God probably doesn't even exist but that's another topic entirely.
I think that Karma doesn't exist either because otherwise how do you explain that bad things always happen to good people and that good things almost always happen to people who do bad things to others.
If Karma exists then how do you explain the fact that high school bullies live very happy lives and make tons of money while those who were bullied and taken advantage of suffer misery, homelessness and hardships in life?
The fact is this world is way too scary, alien, sadistic and backwards for something like a loving God or Karma to exist in my opinion.
In fact I think this universe is so evil is that it deserves not to exist at all in the first place. ThisUniverse doesn't deserve to have people, animals and plant life in it. Instead what it deserves is just the elements with no life being here at all.
I think that Karma doesn't exist either because otherwise how do you explain that bad things always happen to good people and that good things almost always happen to people who do bad things to others.
If Karma exists then how do you explain the fact that high school bullies live very happy lives and make tons of money while those who were bullied and taken advantage of suffer misery, homelessness and hardships in life?
The fact is this world is way too scary, alien, sadistic and backwards for something like a loving God or Karma to exist in my opinion.
In fact I think this universe is so evil is that it deserves not to exist at all in the first place. ThisUniverse doesn't deserve to have people, animals and plant life in it. Instead what it deserves is just the elements with no life being here at all.
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