Immigration Crisis or an Economic Opportunity?

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  1. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    As an aside, I read that Lara Logan, who was gang-raped in Egypt while reporting for CNN, was again hospitalized for health issues stemming from her gang-rape. Apparently Ms. Logan still has internal bleeding. That's the level of violence these sociopaths inflicted against her. An unspeakable level of barbarity.

    Perhaps it would best for women in Europe to wear the Burka? I mean, if you live near a refugee center, and you have to walk alone - perhaps you'd be safest just converting to Islam and wearing the Burka? Why not? It'd be better than being gang-raped.


    As a side note: You civilization is the price you pay for Magic Thinking.
     
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    Published on Jan 22, 2016



    I really only see two choices for this girl. IMO, she can stay and learn to live in the New multicultural Germany. Yes, it will be dangerous, probably no more walking at night to the store. In that New Germany, you'll want to take a look at the USA. Your cities will look like our cities. There will be generational ghettos, reduced public services, and my guess is (to make life in New Germany fairer) you'll have to pass "Regulations" that limit the number of white people who can be hired. Essentially, this girl has too much White Privilege. While she may not know it, just her white skin means she's likely to get a job offer over that of a refugee. Therefor, for the Good of the Nation, Germany will need quotas. Which is okay, because there's always Welfare. The second option is to get out of Germany. I'd suggest learning Japanese. Or, perhaps the USA in the countryside in the northern midwest.

    Other than that, there really aren't many other options. You told these people to come. They came. Now you have to live with them. That's just the way it goes. I personally blame Progressives and their Magic Thinking, but, we'll see.

    The Germany that was before, that is gone. I'm sorry to say as much. But, it's just a fact of life. You must be prepared to live in a multicultural society now. Which seems to be what the European Oligarchy wants.
     
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    Nigel Farage at the UN making the case for the UK regarding the EU:



    There's an interesting interview with the police commissioner that is worth watching.
     
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    Sweden The Local: Shock vid shows tension in Sweden asylum homes



    In the video, one of the refugee youths is seen pleading with the worker “please, please, please”, before the worker erupts in anger. “You have a problem with me?” the youth then asks, getting closer, before he begins shrieking, "fight me! fight me! fight me!" and then breaks down screaming and sobbing uncontrollably on the floor. A broken table is visible. In the background, shouts of “fuck you!”, and “shut up!” are clearly audible. The worker told Swedish Radio that a disturbance had broken out shortly before the video was recorded which had forced him and other staff members to lock themselves in their rooms. He claimed that the man filmed apparently undergoing a nervous breakdown was the ringleader of the refugee youth, and was faking his apparent anguish for the camera.
     
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    Meanwhile in Progressive Democratic Socialist Utopia News....




    This is really nothing, when you think about the USA. I mean, in the USA, you'd be lucky not to be stabbed in the face. You think you're safe on a train, hahaha... think again. This is one of the main reasons we drive everywhere. In the USA, this wouldn't even make the morning's coffee conversation. Let alone someone bother to make a recording. I mean, where's the blood? That old man appears to still have his bags and isn't dead. NEXT!

    Now, Japan OTOH, this would be shocking. I mean, Japanese would be demanding justice. Not only is it illegal, it made that old man feel, uncomfortable. Causing someone to maybe feel a little anguish - this is not acceptable in Japan. Yay yay yay, Japan has a structural problem with too many old people, that's okay. It's not that big of a deal. The houses are bigger each year, the cars are better, the technology improves, services improve. Sure, it's not so easy to make a living as a SlumLord off the poor, or to take advantage of cheap labor, oh well. If you're not a slumlord or a cheap boss, then it's okay.


    ANYWAY, the context:

    Several young men of middle eastern appearance were sexually harassing a young girl. The two elderly Germans came to the defense of the young woman being harassed. The old men *gasp* dared to scold the migrants and demand that they "behave." So, they had to be attacked. Perhaps from the poor refugee's POV these old men (part of Patriarchy) were asserting White Privilege? Perhaps from the refugees POV, they were just defending themselves? Gee, I mean what the hell, all they did is start groping a infidel woman on the train. That's perfectly acceptable in THEIR culture.

    I thought Germany was going to be an open society? A multicultural society like England and Amoorika? Tolerant of other cultures (which are all totally equal by the by) and different ways of thinking, etc....
     
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    So why does the German leaders preach austerity to solve economic issues. That's the same nonsense we get from the libertarian wing nuts in the US congress.
     
  10. Edont Knoff Registered Senior Member

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    There are ideas, which sound rather mean, but are not too unlikely: The politicians want to use this sort of economic pressure to keep some other countries down, or at least rule them. It's happening just this way right now - look at Greece, and how much of their sovereignty they already lost. Germany, the EU and the IWF decide about laws there. In other times, having outsiders dictate the laws of a country would have been seen as a very deep violation of sovereignty of a state.

    If this was planned? There are hints that say, yes, but maybe it was just an "occasion" that the politicians took advantage of.

    If you are intrested in the hints, looks what the German government did to Germany - they did a lot to reduce the average wages, and establish a low-wage sector, pressure the poor people into almost any job. This made the economy very competitive, made german products cheep in the markets. No big social uproar still, germans are not the pople who protest quickly against a government. Many just take their fate and try to get through somehow.

    As a result money was flowing from other countries to Germany, since their own industries could not compete and they bought german products instead. Now the money is in Germany, and several other european countries are nearly bankrupt. You can look up the import/export balances from various sources in the internet. Germany has sold much more products than it bought for a bit more than the past 10 years, while before the balance was almost even.

    Some say it was planned this way. Others say, it was just coincidence.

    Needless to say that it backfired already. Our politicians damaged the countries name, and the foreign relations.
     
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    Thanks for answering my question. I understand what the reasoning is for the choice of austerity but it's economic suicide as evidenced by the results whenever it's used to solve these problems. Families have to do this when somebody finds a reason to lower wages of hard working folks. Governments shouldn't need to do this unless they can't print money. In the US the economy has improved considerably but many working folks aren't getting a share. This income equality has to end all over the world. It's a very small contingent of the worlds population that is creating this just to line their own pockets with billions. In the US the libertarian frauds in congress are bought and paid for by the oligarchy. Why we elect such self serving sociopaths to positions of public service is what worries me the most. Thanks for explaining what's been going on in the European Union.
     
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    Independent UK: Iraqi refugee 'raped 10-year-old Austrian boy at swimming pool'

    A 10-year-old boy has been raped at a public swimming pool in Vienna, according to local media reports. Local newspaper Kronen Zeitung described the assailant as a 20-year-old Iraqi refugee, who was arrested at the scene of the incident in late December. It was reported that the child was taken to hospital for treatment over "severe" injuries.

    The refugee - who at that point had gone back to swimming and diving - was arrested on the spot and taken into custody where he told police that he was experiencing a "sexual emergency." "I followed my desires," the man said, adding that he "hadn't had sex in four months." He went on to say that although he was fully aware that his actions were "forbidden in any country in the world," he had "a marked surplus of sexual energy." The man said he had a wife and a daughter in Iraq.

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    This is horrific.

    I believe Europeans have completely lost all sense of reality. Exposure to Magic Thinking for a generation will do that. This man LEFT his wife in child in a War Zone to go swimming in Europe. Do YOU have any idea what sort of sick-in-the-head person leaves his own child in a war-zone to go swimming??? Jesus H Christ, grab your gawd damn collective heads and pull it out of your collective arses. Free Shit is NOT worth the price of your Society. By the Gods, it's infuriating. The actual people who NEED the help - are being LEFT behind!!!

    All these promises of 'free' healthcare, 'free' University, 'free' free free.... Well, all that free costs a lot of money. And given the Government is extremely inefficient, it means a lot of working. When you're working a lot, you have little time to raise a family - so many don't. But, see, this is the tricky part. Without more Tax Chattel coming in at the bottom, then at the top, Ponzi Schemes don't work so well, or at all.

    Thus, MOAR. And if Germans and Swedes can't crank out more kids, then they'll have to import. It's either that or live within your means. Which means no more free. And that's never going to get you elected. So, here we are.

    I wonder what the Political Elite have in mind for the Tax Chattel? Is it that they just think: Meh, F em. Are the purposely importing scape-goats? So that when the Welfare State fails, and it will, they'll have a million people to blame it all on? Maybe they want to start World War III? Or, perhaps they've drank too much of their own Kool-Aid?

    Thankfully the Japanese have a bit of backbone and stoicism. They're not happy to go with less, but it's a SMALL price to pay when the alternative is considered.


    I do hope they house this man in a prison with the general population. Let's see how he likes being on the receiving end of pent-up 'sexual energy' a few times a day. It'll give him something to think about.
     
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    An interesting art exhibit called Sweden’s ‘national psychosis’.

    Some commentary:

    Sociological surveys reveal Sweden as an outlier nation in Europe: where people are raised to trust the state, but not necessarily each other. What sounds like an academic question has now become a key integration challenge: how to bridge the distance between the Swedes already here – and the 200,000 new arrivals. Grappling with this question is Leif Magnusson, operations manager of the Botkyrka Multicultural Centre. Ask him what preoccupies him most these days and, unprompted, he mentions the distance that exists between people in Sweden, what he calls “our Swedish culture of loneliness”.

    Across the country the same vexing question is being asked: will the arrival of young refugee families mark the last-minute rescue of this ageing welfare society – or place a pillow over its face and press? “We in Sweden are a happy, superficial people,” said Inger Johansson, a translator and intellectual living near the multicultural city of Malmö. “But I don’t know how happy people will be when the first cuts to services become apparent. Either people will commit to this or there will be outright hatred and violence.”

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    One of the most devastating aspects of Progressive Socialism, is the way in which it undermines the fabric of society. There's no 'need' to care for one another. Caring becomes some Public Servants 'job'. A few of the Communist countries I visited, were some of the least friendly. While those with the most free-markets, combined with a sense of Ethics (often derived from Religion, but sometimes from Philosophy) were the nicest. The MidWest comes to mind.
     
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    In the video below, a refugee pickpocket was planning to take something from the unsuspecting woman answering her phone. A mother with two children warns the women she's about to have something stolen from her purse. The pickpocket punches the mother, shoves her (she could have tripped and fallen down the stairs, or her young children). The man, completely pissed off that a woman foiled his attempt at theft, can't stand it, so turns right around, walks all the way back to her and spits right in her face as she clutches her children and calls for help. She's lucky he didn't come back and stab her in the face with a knife. Or kick one of her children down the stairs.

    Of course, no one rushes over to help.
    Not their business.
    That's the purview of the Nanny Police State.

    The refugee continues on his way looking for his next target. Who knows what such a sick individual is capable of? Anyone who'd bunch a mother in the face - in front of her children, that is not someone you want out on the streets.




    You know, I never worry about this happening when I'm in Japan. In Japan, you can place your iPhone6 down on the table at the cafe', and go get in line. That way your table is saved for when you return. I heard Sweden was once like Japan. A long time ago, before the rise of the Progressive lunatics turning Swedenstan into their own little insane asylum.

    Welp, no backing the train out now. Just have to learn to live in a New Sweden. A 'multicultural' Sweden. Where, pickpockets spitting in the face of defenseless mothers is the norm. You'll ave to do what we Americans do and move out of your cities, they're lost causes (plus the SlumLords will move in and your cities will simply turn into Welfare dumps). This IS going to happen. So, best plan on making the best of things now. There's plenty of cities in the USA where this is happening right now, hell, it's so common, it wouldn't even make the local paper let alone generate outrage.


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    This was interesting: The title is misleading. She was initially talking about a man on the bus, when some German kids begin to interrupt her (I believe they were originally Albanian). They were the interesting part.




    I'm not really sure what to make of it? I did find the kids to be petulant. But, that's kids. The old woman seems sincere, but, she's also Christian, and therefor she's naturally going to be a little biased. Hard to say what to make of it.
     
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    A Polish Magazine has published this: Piekło i samobójstwo Europy (The Islamic Rape of Europe)

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    Well, the solution is obvious, if Polish people don't like the new multicultural Europe, then Poland should leave the EU. As a matter of fact, I'd strongly suggest taking some steps in limiting your exposure to the idiocracy of Sweden and Germany as it pertains to Progressive Socialism. Not to say Germany doesn't have really interesting Germanic culture or that Sweden doesn't have some wonderful indigenous Scandinavian culture. That doesn't mean that Polish people have to imitate their experiment in destroying these cultures. They have their societies. Polish have theirs.

    Anyway, see how it works out for in, say 4 decades or so. Then decide if their's is the sort of society you'd like to be a part of. In the meantime, you may also want to visit Japan, just to see what a society looks like with skilled sustainable immigration. Decide which type of society suites you.

    Note: Monoculturealism is a large part of Japanese culture, has been for millennium - as evidenced during the closing of Japan during the Tokugawa Shogunate. Thus, by definition, monoculturealism itself must be respected as a type of culture by (so-called) Progressive multiculturalists.
     
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    Poland doesn't take many immigrants, and only Christian ones. There is no need though for Poland to leave the EU. There doesn't have to be the same opinion in all european countries.

    Actually the immigration does not destroy german culture. What actually happened is, that it started a debate, waht german culture actually is. What defines it. What ideals does it have. If and how it should be conserved, or re-enacted.

    There are many debates. But it's good to remind people that there has been something like the age of englightenment, that ther eis something like humanism. Remind of the philosophers who thought great (and not-so-great) thoughts. The pressure, and the fear to lose that, actually begins to strengthen it. Also, the questions which place religion should have in a society, if churches are important, are investigated again.

    I think these discussions will lead to a clearer idea of what we want to define as german culture, and also, how to preserve it, or, how to move on from there, keeping the good of the old ideas, and addinge more good from new ideas.

    There is a lot of disinformation being spread these days. Stories about crimes like rape which are launched to trigger hate against some people, and which show to be wrong a few days later. There have been quite a number of such false accusations lately. On the other hand, there also seem to be real crimes, which are not reported by the officials. So at the moment it's very hard to make up ones mind, too many lies and falso stories are circulating.

    The last doubtful story that I read was about a family of immigrants which were offered a flat, but refused to move in, since they wanted a house. It might have happened. It might also be, that this family has no idea that most germans do not own a house (house ownership in germany is much less than in other countries), and live in a rented flat, and form their point of view, made a totally valid claim, which just clashed with the reality in Germany - a reality which they didn't know. But the story sure was good to trigger rejection for those, who ask for so much more than the average german has, or can hope to get.

    http://www.faz.net/aktuell/finanzen...in-deutschland-macht-mieten-arm-12148060.html

    In Spain, 83% of families own at least one house
    In Italy, 69%
    In Germany, 44%

    So if people who come from somewhere where owning a house move to Germany, they might actually ask for a house, too, because it seems normal to them, not knowing how strange this request appears to the Germans, of whom a majority of familes do not own a house.
     
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    Edont Knoff,

    It do agree that 'culture' is continuously changing. Japan of 2015 isn't the Japan of 1985, 1945, 1915, etc... Societies change. The question is, IMO, one of in which direction? If you'd like to know which direction Germany is moving, perhaps visit the ghettos that ring Paris? Or welfare ghettos in our lovely multicultureal USA? I see no reason why such ghetofication will not also occur in German. It's been happening in Sweden for the last few decades, since their "Progressive" politicians decided there's isn't much of value to be found in "Swedish" culture. I'd also suggest a visit to monocultureal Japan, where you'll find no such ghettos exist - anywhere in the country. As in, there are no places in Japan that could be comparable. They just do not exist.

    Also, in Sweden, it appears a rather large percentage of the rapes are perpetrated by a minority of people of immigrant background. Due to "political correctness" the objective evidence is somewhat hard to access. However, Statistical evidence suggests this is the case and that is probably the best evidence one could ask for. I've read as much as 5% of the population committing over 50% of these types of crimes. Most violent rapes in Oslo are apparently committed by non-Native Norwegians.

    Yes, I understand that German's generally don't own their homes. I was listening to a German speak about this the other day, and he didn't appear all that happy about it. More like resigned to the fact he wouldn't ever be able to afford to own a home. It particularly burned him that he was building walls in his landlords house - essentially improving a house for someone else. Not exactly ideal. But, as you said, most Germans rent. He's one of them. What I found interesting was that he lived in Cologne and then a couple years ago he moved out of the city because he didn't want to raise his family there - he didn't want to live there any longer. So, he's an academic and his wife is a medical doctor. If they can't afford a house outside the city, I suspect hardly anyone would be able to do so? Anyway, about two weeks ago he receives a letter in the mail. A refugee center will be opening up 50 meters from his house. Now, you can imagine how he feels about that. Not very happy at all. He said it was like a dictate. No one asked the people of this town what they wanted. They were sent a letter, and that's that.
    Doesn't seem very democratic to me.
    Well, his daughters obviously can't walk to school alone any longer. I'm pretty sure I know exactly what kind of 'culture' will develop out of this, and I don't think it's going to be in the same direction as, say, Japan. As for this guy, he's trying to talk his wife into moving out of Germany, but she doesn't want to live far from her family. I wonder what she'll think after this refugee center opens up next door? So, instead of Germany getting an 'economic boon', perhaps there'll be a brain drain as hard-working Germans exist, only to be replaced by low skilled, possibly of such low IQ they're unable to master the technical skills required to maintain the current state of German society as a high-tech manufacturer. Further, I'm certain that it will be impossible to pay for the social programs required to care for these refugees and the large families they'll be importing once they get settled in as well as all the other social programs Germans expected to see with retirement.

    As a matter of fact, if one wanted to destroy a social welfare system, this would probably be the best way to do it.

    As an interesting aside, Religion is an amazing meme. It really does alter the way people think. Christianity entered Japan centuries ago. The One True God meme is so intolerant of other belief systems. It caused such problems with the Japanese rulers they literally decided to kill off every single Christian in Japan. All of them. They pretty much did it. But not completely. And those Japanese are still in Japan today. They were called the 'hidden Christians'. Even after centuries, they never really 'integrated' into Japanese culture completely and can be seen on the corners now and again handing out Bibles and talking about the eternal hell-fire Japanese will endure if they don't find Jesus.

    I think it would be rather naive to expect people with a religious meme that's an antithesis towards Protestant Christianity to 'integrate' into Germanic culture religiously. Particularly if it has to do with accepting atheism, homosexuality, etc...

    And you haven't even begun to think about the complaints of White Patriarchy. Imagine in 20 years if the children of immigrants aren't able to compete at the same level as Germans and thus are not able to gain access to some professional organizations at the same rate as German kids are. This could even come down to epigenetic and/or genetic difference, but of coures also environmental/parenting/etc.... Then you'll be dealing with affirmative action and all of those problems.
    It'll be a total mess.
    Just as it is in the USA.
    A problem you don't find in Japan.

    Or so I can imagine. But, we'll see.
     
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    Many points to reply to ... I will try shed light on a few

    - The home ownership. Many people really would like to own houses. It's a selfmade problem though - the way houses are built over here makes them very expensive. People who build a "cheap" house are looked down upon (silly as that is). And there is a ton of regulations these days which all raise the price of buildings due to their requirements. So yes, many germans, me included, are unhappy not to have a house of their own, but many can't afford to built a high quality house, and therefore settle to rent some space. That's why so many frown when immigrants want a house - because it looks so exaggerated for a refugee to ask for such from the usual persons point of view here.

    - The low level jobs. Germany doesn't have a lot of those left. Automatization was an ongoing effort since many years, and I dare to say that everything a machine can do cheaper than a human is nowadays done by a machine. This includes jobs in administration and even research. There is a segments of unemployed people here without hope. They do not have the skills that are needed, and also seem unable to acquire these skills. I've been worried since a while about the social tension that this causes. The immigrants make this tension even worse. Germany wants workers, indeed, but from craftsmen upwards (craftsman certificate means about three years of training here, with both, schooling and training on job, and that's the lowest level of training that is accepted, below is just "helper"). Many immigrants seem to be willing though to take this training and want to work as craftsmen. These immigrants will be integrated very smoothly, I expect.

    - Ghettos. Did happen in some cities, not in all. In the town here I live every 3rd or 4th is an immigrant, or child of immigrants. No ghettos, and a rather below-average crime rate. Just amazing how many languages one can hear at the bus or train station. The region has a very low unemployment rate though, and best job offers, this probably helps to avoid slums and ghettos. Many immigrants opened shops or run small businesses, this is very welcome, and earned them respect from the older people. But other cities have ghettos with all the problems already. It's something to deal with, but having examples where integration worked well gives hope that we can do it again.

    - Culture clash. A really big problem is the way how women live. The immigrants see german women as "sluts", because of their free, unguarded by the family and generally self-determined lifestyle, also their display of body. In their opinion women who live this way are of low level. This is something that must change. They must accept the lifestyle that has grown here over the years. E.g. nudity was/is more accpeted in Germany than it is even in the "free" USA, and I don't want to lose such lenient standards over regressive forces. Not far from my office space there is an "air bathing club" where man, women and their children can enjoy sun and wind on naked skin. It's a mix of grassland with trees and bushes. While this is maybe a bit of an odd offspring of nature-love, I see it as something important that such can exist in a suburbian region - even if archaic/shamanic or otherwise weird, it is accepted, and no one will protest there or run a campaign against the place. This is what tolerance means here. Immigrants need to adopt this sort of tolerance, even if their god says, naked men and women, particularly in mixed groups, and with children, are totally unacceptable. They totally are acceptable, particularly in such a secluded space.

    - German culture. It's a very blurry, fuzzy and fractured thing. The past 1000 years Germany usually was an area where many small states existed, with their own laws, measurement units, dialects and traditions and all this under changine influences from neighboring countries. Very interesting, but still quite fractured. Much of what we call culture is a very regional thing. These days show, we are not sure what German culture is. But a few corner stones show up, rooted in philosophy and ethics, mostly thoughts from the period after 1700, which finally formed the modern society. We must unleash these thoughts again, and become aware that they were the guidelines that shaped modern Germany.

    - The welfare system. It's been eroding even before the immigrants came. It needs a redesign. But we had more unemployed people already in the past, than today, including the immigrants, and the system survived the pressure. The immigrants are a problem, but not a fatal. We need a solution though for the increasing number of older people, and the decrease in workforce. The old system can't deal with the changed balance.

    - Homosexuality. My impression is that the acceptance level was already higher, 10 or 20 years ago. But there is a clear consent that tolerance is wanted, and it has to be accepted. The debates are all about details, e.g. how to teach pupils in school about sexuality, if/how to mention alternatives to the traditional family, at what age to give such information etc. What I miss is a "partnership" contract for polygamous people. For some reasons, there is no talk about it, only 1:1 partnerships are accepted officially. But looking at the force of these debates, I don't think the immigrants can turn the wheel back there - actually "not backwards" is a clearer decision than the actual direction of "forward" - thats what most debates are about. Very bad point: A group of immigrants tried to stone two transsexuals to death near a train station recently. Apparently only the lack of stones saved their lives, the police came very late. This must not happen again. If some wants to be the other sex, it is their thing, and they must be left in peace. This is about the same the nudist club above - give those people a place, and let them be happy. Almost none of them are missionary, all they want is peace.

    Lots of text. I'm sure other people can also give a view here, much of what I wrote is biased by my own experiences and ideas.
     
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    Yeah, that is interesting about Germany (not owning a home). Two things come to mind.
    1) Many immigrants come from cultures where rent-seeking is the goal. They'd happily live 15 to a house in the hopes of buying a home and letting it out to a Germany. Over time, more Germans will rent from people who probably don't share German culture. Or alternative they prefer to pick tenants who are not too 'German'.
    2) I've also noticed in areas where home ownership is low, slummyness is high. What I mean is, people from other cultures, who don't own the house they live in, and have no stake in the neighborhood, generally don't take care of it or participate in local matters. Why would they?

    I think you'll find Slumlording will increase in Germany. Over time, you'll end up with no-go zones in your cities. Or so I would imagine. It happened in the USA, England, Canada, AU.

    IMO many of the current refugee immigrants do not have the disposition to work 8-5. Some? Sure. Many won't do that sort of work. Many will of course have IQs in the mid 80s, not ideal. Not ideal at all. As a matter of fact, I find importing a large chunk of people with an IQ of mid 80s, insane. As it correlates strongly with violent crime. But, anyway. Also, this means lower IQ Germans will have to compete for these menial jobs, that are rapidly vanishing. I can't see how this is a good thing? We'll see.

    Depends on the immigrants. Again, bringing in mid 80s IQ is a huge mistake IMO.

    Germany probably doesn't have anything comparable to the welfare estates in the USA. These places are literal shit holes. Will they develop in Germany? Not if you stop this insanity. But, if Germany accepts millions of low IQ immigrants, then I suspect, yes. As we say: It's bakes in the cake.
    But we'll see.

    I don't see conservative monotheists accepting women walking around nude. As a minority, they'll just avoid those areas and tell their kids not to go there (Or, at least their daughters). As a majority, I imagine they'll vote to make those areas illegal near where they live.

    That's what I would guess. Remember, many people are immigrating to Germany because they were told Germany is a weak country and the German women need a 'real man'. While this sounds absolutely idiotic to you or I. To someone with a mid 80s IQ, it sounds like a dream come true. Those 1000 men are part of this wave of overwhelmingly men.

    Don't forget, many of these cultures marry their cousins, which they will be bringing over to have large families. I think you'll find, this is going to end up much worse than you could imagine. Maybe even destroy the EU.

    I totally agree.

    Japan is in the same boat. Essentially, the young have less, and so do the old. But, they'll dealing with it. It is possible to make do. Japanese stores are packed with the best goods you could hope for. The grocery stores are packed with the nicest food. Electronics are fantastic. Etc....

    That said, there is a slight decrease in quality in some areas of Japan. Primarily from importing from China. Materials used in new home construction for example.

    Again, I don't see conservative monotheists ever accepting homosexual relationships. They'll use this as an example of why Germans are inferior. Or so I would imagine. Again, remember, the average IQ is in the mid 80s. When you can't compete at nuclear physics, then you point at a gay man and say to your son, see, look at that disgrace. This is what simple people do. It's the way they think.
     
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    Interesting take on things from Sweden (a bit old).



    The shocking thing was Swedish politicians suggesting Swedish citizens should learn to accept pedophilia, because marrying 9 - 15 years olds is part of their culture.

    That is insane. These socialists are nuts.

    Sadly, there may come a day when open friendly warm Swedish people, aren't. When they turn cold, hateful and violent. Then you'll see the side of humanity that let their neighbors freeze to death, rather than take them in, because there wasn't enough food. The same selection pressure that made northern Europeans social, also made them hard. What causes people to switch from one to the other? Who knows?
     
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    The Local: Soldiers of Allah’ to counter Soldiers of Odin in Norway

    How nuts.

    I wonder if it's possible for Norway to become officially Atheist? I make, make Atheism the official religion. You know, compulsory courses in *gasp* reasoning. Yeah, we'll see how this works out.


    You know, I had a fantastic curry in Japan a few months ago. Really nice. Authentic. One of the family members could speak Japanese well. I suppose there must be a really tiny community of Indians living in this area of Japan. I wondered if they missed home. I can imagine Japan must be better than a village in India, but, maybe not? Japan isn't an easy country to live in. You're not going to move to Japan and "do your own thing" very easily. Funny enough, they had this really silly looking framed poster / picture of some India person. I'm not sure who. An actor? Cricketer? Politician? I'm not sure. But, imagine eating curry with a large wall poster of a man with his shirt unbuttoned to his navel with gold necklaces hanging about his overly emphasized hairy chest. Sitting on the hood of a sports car like those old Heather Locklear posters from the 80s. Too funny. Sure, a tiny amount of immigration is okay. The restaurant was empty, so, it's not like there's a market opening for Indian food. Not to mention Japanese generally prefer Japanese curry. Indian curry is too spicy. But, I cannot see Japanese people being happy with a large Indian community, not integrated into the larger Japanese community, doing their own thing. That's not going to make people very happy.
     

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