Near death experiences

Do you think that Black Holes are involved in recycling of energy and matter?

  • No

    Votes: 3 50.0%

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 33.3%

  • Perhaps????

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • Total voters
    6
Dennis Tate said:
We are certainly human....
but the higher dimensional hard drive part of us that existed for who knows how long even before our conception.....
that is something that has off the scale creative capabilities that we are generally unaware of at this time but
some parapsychologists have found out a little bit about some of the capabilities of our higher dimensional hard drive.
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What parapsychologists studying this field ever found any evidence for paranormal activities?
 
Dennis Tate said:
Sure..... humour actually livens up a forum but....
if you do anything remotely like I did and put hundreds and even thousands of hours into researching all of this you will eventually find out that
it is highly improbable that there is zero connection between the fact that String Theory postulates invisible dimensions of space and time operating at higher and higher and higher levels of energy.......
and near death experiencers and out of the body experiencers report viewing higher invisible dimensions......
It is pretty normal for us to find this idea rather scary at first....
those who identified as Atheists who found themselves still conscious but outside their bodies.....
were really shocked by the experience.
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Has there ever been any evidence of String Theory?
 
Dywyddyr said:
Better term: delusion.
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there is a technical difference if you are interested in the real science
there is 99.999% religion & idealistic bullshit
& 0.001% fact
that 0.001% fact is information the person has previously not had or incapable of gathering outside being in specific places where they have no access like foreign country's inside building inside formed items like built in things, internal mistakes not detected like cracks or flaws etc.
things unable to be known without uncovering something.

but like mega churches
its not about god
its not about religion
(forgot to add, its not about spirituality)
its about money & building your own personal army(conformist social cultural group)

that is USA culture at its pinnacle

pure capitalism controlled by socialism with a dictatorship in charge in a pyramidal authority structure.

basic science
because the brain can think a lot faster than most people comprehend, and there are vast amounts of unknown functional process in the brain
people can have post event subjective re construction of selective aspects that can form their desire
regardless of NDE being real or an illusion created by the god region of the brain processed & manipulated by the part of the brain that deals with dying.
etc

most people dont want the science
they want the religion
equally a lot of self described atheists claim that they do not "believe" in the possible reality of sch things.
which obliviously points out the simple fact they are religious and have a "belief system" operating.
it helps to keep in mind the thousands of years of religious eugenics & genocide which has probably formed a governing body of people with specific mental traits.
needing to believe in a religion would be a survival aspect

for instance
relative time aspects
time flys when
time drags/goes slow when
etc etc

self acclaimed atheists who claim to have a belief in not believing tend to reject the facts when they are presented in that 1 in a 1000 times of expereincer events having scientific proof.
it panders to their religious need for belief in not changing their belief system.
thats a human thing

Dennis
when i last walked away from the subject of NDE what i was left with was the lack of scientific proof showing that NDE prove the soul/consciousness can live once the brain is dead.
THERE is your bottom marker for scientific proof
but how many people having NDE are hooked up to diagnostic brain monitoring equipment ?
none
but NDE's as a functional of health care help alleviate panic around death
it may help prevent people from causing more injury & death if people believe there is an over arching control factor that will give them comfort.

there was plenty of well documented proof to show there is some truth to out of body consciousness
or some other form of attainment of knowledge in an altered state.
(((TV click bait modern people dont want to do the hard work of basic research)))
e.g [if you can't give me what i want, the way i want it, when i want it, then it cant be true, and it is all your fault!]
 
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Michael 345 said:
Me thinks you are mis- using the word but in case I am incorrect can you provide what you understand about energy
:)
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I believe that basic String Theory fits with the idea of the existence of Energy from Quantum Vacuum.

If somebody thinks that energy from Quantum Vacuum is impossible....
they are free to do that if they wish.

"The real burden in the next three centuries will not be the development of fancy mathematics, but the experimental testing of these ambitious theories. All current thinking about total unification assumes that the effects of linking all the forces and particles together will only become manifest at energies that are some trillion times greater than those currently attainable in particle accelerators. Probably we shall never reach such energies directly" ( A Theory of Everything" Volume 21 of "The World ofScience)
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RainbowSingularity said:
there is a technical difference if you are interested in the real science
there is 99.999% religion & idealistic bullshit
& 0.001% fact
that 0.001% fact is information the person has previously not had or incapable of gathering outside being in specific places where they have no access like foreign country's inside building inside formed items like built in things, internal mistakes not detected like cracks or flaws etc.
things unable to be known without uncovering something.

but like mega churches
its not about god
its not about religion
(forgot to add, its not about spirituality)
its about money & building your own personal army(conformist social cultural group)

that is USA culture at its pinnacle

pure capitalism controlled by socialism with a dictatorship in charge in a pyramidal authority structure.

basic science
because the brain can think a lot faster than most people comprehend, and there are vast amounts of unknown functional process in the brain
people can have post event subjective re construction of selective aspects that can form their desire
regardless of NDE being real or an illusion created by the god region of the brain processed & manipulated by the part of the brain that deals with dying.
etc

most people dont want the science
they want the religion
equally a lot of self described atheists claim that they do not "believe" in the possible reality of sch things.
which obliviously points out the simple fact they are religious and have a "belief system" operating.
it helps to keep in mind the thousands of years of religious eugenics & genocide which has probably formed a governing body of people with specific mental traits.
needing to believe in a religion would be a survival aspect

for instance
relative time aspects
time flys when
time drags/goes slow when
etc etc

self acclaimed atheists who claim to have a belief in not believing tend to reject the facts when they are presented in that 1 in a 1000 times of expereincer events having scientific proof.
it panders to their religious need for belief in not changing their belief system.
thats a human thing

Dennis
when i last walked away from the subject of NDE what i was left with was the lack of scientific proof showing that NDE prove the soul/consciousness can live once the brain is dead.
THERE is your bottom marker for scientific proof
but how many people having NDE are hooked up to diagnostic brain monitoring equipment ?
none
but NDE's as a functional of health care help alleviate panic around death
it may help prevent people from causing more injury & death if people believe there is an over arching control factor that will give them comfort.

there was plenty of well documented proof to show there is some truth to out of body consciousness
or some other form of attainment of knowledge in an altered state.
(((TV click bait modern people dont want to do the hard work of basic research)))
e.g [if you can't give me what i want, the way i want it, when i want it, then it cant be true, and it is all your fault!]
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In my opinion that was well said......
my impressions is that even our brightest minds are scared of the rather obvious implications of String Theory......
that to me indicates that they do have an idea of what is implied by String Theory.

I believe that the people who consider us humans to be something like a hologram living within a Multiverse.....
are very close to understanding some really huge truths.

If you read the NDE's of Atheists.... you will find that they have made a sincere effort to not
read anything extra into their impressions of what they feel they were shown during their
NDE.

As I go through this list I am pretty sure that I read all of these over this past decade or so....

https://www.near-death.com/philosophy/atheism-and-ndes.html
 
Dennis Tate said:
In my opinion that was well said......
my impressions is that even our brightest minds are scared of the rather obvious implications of String Theory......
that to me indicates that they do have an idea of what is implied by String Theory.

I believe that the people who consider us humans to be something like a hologram living within a Multiverse.....
are very close to understanding some really huge truths.

If you read the NDE's of Atheists.... you will find that they have made a sincere effort to not
read anything extra into their impressions of what they feel they were shown during their
NDE.

As I go through this list I am pretty sure that I read all of these over this past decade or so....

https://www.near-death.com/philosophy/atheism-and-ndes.html
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Laser rays are the only ones to cause holograms, so such idea of we living in a hologram universe has been debunked already.

A year after your injury I had mine. I was doing a task using a ladder, about reaching a third floor high, installing a sign on a wall over the open entrance area for a section of buildings. It wasn't my job but my department was the only one having in stock ladders and cherry pickups for this kind of duty. It was a "special assignment'. The dude who was supposed to hold the ladder forgot about me. He was listening music using his CD player with headphones and started to dance by himself. I hear the voice of guys in the parking lot saying "he is falling".

And I saw myself going down with the ladder taking more speed and going free fall when it reached the main entrance area.

It got me by surprise and I just fell with my legs straight. I didn't bend the knees, so the whole weight of my body leaning on my legs and back. The pressure I felt of my back cause so much pain that made me roll from one side to another on the floor while I was cursing like crazy to the other guy who was working with me. The pain started to make my body to feel like pressed from everywhere, like dormant but a strong sensation of discomfort.

I lost the sensation of pain, it was like as being not capable to listen anyone anymore. I ended with my face looking down the floor and was incapable to move at all. To make things worst, blood was coming from behind my head like crazy. I thought my head was broken and my brains out of place. The blood was flowing and dropping in front of me and I thought that was the end of my life.

I didn't feel anything, perhaps because the pain was so high that acted as anesthesia. Rather than fighting for survival, I remember I just said to myself, "so, this is it..."

And there I was, looking at the floor watching myself how I was dying. I didn't think about my family, about God, about nothing, but weird reaction of mine of not being afraid but curious instead, waiting for loosing consciousnesses and "that was it".

A voice asked my name, and I reacted to it. After I responded, the voice turned very happy and asked me my age and more. I continued responding by inertia of conversation, and I felt pressure on my head and voices telling me they will take me to a hospital.

I was put in an ambulance. After X-rays and stitches on my head. I passed the night over there because I lost consciousnesses.

The final diagnosis was a collapsed disc and I lost about 1" of my height. From a marshmallow form, my disc was flat as a coin. Such was the cause of my pain, the collapsed disc pressing the nerves. I was in disability for months, never accepted surgery. My head with lots of stitches healed sooner than I was expecting.

In reality I was not close to die that day, but I felt I was, specially after loosing my hearing, incapable to move and watching my blood staining all the floor in front of me. Those moments of silence feeling alone, with pain controlling my thoughts and feelings, I understand now how people dying after being hit look so "calm" and with their sight lost looking to nowhere...

At that moment I didn't see it "ugly", and since then I have not lost respect to life but I am not afraid of death either.

Before I used to jump back when a dog from inside the fence of a house barked at me by surprise, today when that happens I do not go back but my hand rolls in a wrist and becomes ready to hit back. Last time that kind of scenario happened to me, I even cursed the dog and I don't know why and how, even when fear was felt strong inside me, my physical reaction was to fight.

That accident changed me, not sure if for better or for worst.
 
Luchito said:
Laser rays are the only ones to cause holograms, so such idea of we living in a hologram universe has been debunked already.

A year after your injury I had mine. I was doing a task using a ladder, about reaching a third floor high, installing a sign on a wall over the open entrance area for a section of buildings. It wasn't my job but my department was the only one having in stock ladders and cherry pickups for this kind of duty. It was a "special assignment'. The dude who was supposed to hold the ladder forgot about me. He was listening music using his CD player with headphones and started to dance by himself. I hear the voice of guys in the parking lot saying "he is falling".

And I saw myself going down with the ladder taking more speed and going free fall when it reached the main entrance area.

It got me by surprise and I just fell with my legs straight. I didn't bend the knees, so the whole weight of my body leaning on my legs and back. The pressure I felt of my back cause so much pain that made me roll from one side to another on the floor while I was cursing like crazy to the other guy who was working with me. The pain started to make my body to feel like pressed from everywhere, like dormant but a strong sensation of discomfort.

I lost the sensation of pain, it was like as being not capable to listen anyone anymore. I ended with my face looking down the floor and was incapable to move at all. To make things worst, blood was coming from behind my head like crazy. I thought my head was broken and my brains out of place. The blood was flowing and dropping in front of me and I thought that was the end of my life.

I didn't feel anything, perhaps because the pain was so high that acted as anesthesia. Rather than fighting for survival, I remember I just said to myself, "so, this is it..."

And there I was, looking at the floor watching myself how I was dying. I didn't think about my family, about God, about nothing, but weird reaction of mine of not being afraid but curious instead, waiting for loosing consciousnesses and "that was it".

A voice asked my name, and I reacted to it. After I responded, the voice turned very happy and asked me my age and more. I continued responding by inertia of conversation, and I felt pressure on my head and voices telling me they will take me to a hospital.

I was put in an ambulance. After X-rays and stitches on my head. I passed the night over there because I lost consciousnesses.

The final diagnosis was a collapsed disc and I lost about 1" of my height. From a marshmallow form, my disc was flat as a coin. Such was the cause of my pain, the collapsed disc pressing the nerves. I was in disability for months, never accepted surgery. My head with lots of stitches healed sooner than I was expecting.

In reality I was not close to die that day, but I felt I was, specially after loosing my hearing, incapable to move and watching my blood staining all the floor in front of me. Those moments of silence feeling alone, with pain controlling my thoughts and feelings, I understand now how people dying after being hit look so "calm" and with their sight lost looking to nowhere...

At that moment I didn't see it "ugly", and since then I have not lost respect to life but I am not afraid of death either.

Before I used to jump back when a dog from inside the fence of a house barked at me by surprise, today when that happens I do not go back but my hand rolls in a wrist and becomes ready to hit back. Last time that kind of scenario happened to me, I even cursed the dog and I don't know why and how, even when fear was felt strong inside me, my physical reaction was to fight.

That accident changed me, not sure if for better or for worst.
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I would say that the accident changed you for better in many ways.....
observing your body as if from above is a very common element of a near death experience.

Feeling rather detached from all of the events of your life up until the time of the accident is a common response as well. A friend of mine from the '80's mentioned that
happening to him during his brush with death as well.
 
Dennis Tate said:
Energy from Quantum Vacuum.
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????
In quantum field theory, the quantum vacuum state (also called the quantum vacuum or vacuum state) is the quantum state with the lowest possible energy
FROM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_vacuum_state
So what is with -
Dennis Tate said:
I believe that basic String Theory fits with the idea of the existence of Energy from Quantum Vacuum.
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And
Dennis Tate said:
If somebody thinks that energy from Quantum Vacuum is impossible....
they are free to do that if they wish.
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Not sure about impossible, however since the quantum vacuum state is a quantum state with the lowest possible energy you might be pushing brown stuff uphill to get any out
ASIDE FROM Energy is not stuff. So getting energy out of a quantum vacuum state seems to be saying you are expecting a quantum vacuum state to perform WORK

Energy, in physics, the capacity for doing work.

Let me know how that works, in your finding out and understanding

:)
 
Michael 345 said:
????
In quantum field theory, the quantum vacuum state (also called the quantum vacuum or vacuum state) is the quantum state with the lowest possible energy
FROM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_vacuum_state
So what is with -

And

Not sure about impossible, however since the quantum vacuum state is a quantum state with the lowest possible energy you might be pushing brown stuff uphill to get any out
ASIDE FROM Energy is not stuff. So getting energy out of a quantum vacuum state seems to be saying you are expecting a quantum vacuum state to perform WORK

Energy, in physics, the capacity for doing work.

Let me know how that works, in your finding out and understanding

:)
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That is one way to look at this....
but here is a different view....


http://www.theorionproject.org/en/quantumvacuum.html
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Dywyddyr said:
Yup, you're delusional as well.
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I assume that "as well" refers to me.......
so although I am fairly certain that you will be annoyed by the following paragraphs they may help you to
better understand why I am fascinated with this type of information.

Former Atheist Howard Storm asked the Being of Light who was reviewing his life with him WHY the Holocaust had been permitted to occur?


"I asked how God could let the Holocaust of World War II happen. We were transported to a railway station as a long train of freight cars was being unloaded of its human cargo. The guards were screaming and beating the people into submission. The people were Jewish men, women, and children. Exhausted from hunger and thirst, they were totally disoriented from the ordeal of being rounded up and sent on a long journey to an unknown destination. They believed that they were going to work camps, and that their submission to the brutality of the guards was the only way to survive.

We went to the area where the selection process was taking place and heard the guards talking about "the Angel Maker." We went to the place the guards were referring to as "the Angel Maker," which was a series of ovens. I saw piles of naked corpses being loaded into the ovens, and I began to cry. Jesus said to me, "These are the people God loves." Then he said, "Look up." Rising out of the smoke of the chimneys, I saw hundreds of people being met by thousands of angels taking them up into the sky. There was great joy in the faces of the people, and there appeared to be no trace of a memory of the horrendous suffering they had just endured. How ironic that the guards sarcastically called the ovens "the Angel Maker."

I asked how God could allow this to happen. They told me that this was not God's will. This was an abomination to God. God wants this never to happen again. This was the sacrifice of an innocent people to whom God had given the law to be an example, a light, to the rest of the world. This Holocaust was breaking God's heart. The anguish that Jesus was suffering at the slaughter of his people was too much for me to bear and I begged that we leave this place. I will never forget this: his anguish at this horror and what it represents. This was one of the low points in human history."

I asked, Why does God let things like this happen? They told me that God was very unhappy with the course of human history and was going to intervene to change the world. God had watched us sink to depths of depravity and cruelty at the very time that he was giving us the instruments to make the world a godlier world. God had intervened in the world many times before, but this time God was going to change the course of human events." (Howard Storm, My Descent Into Death, page 42,43)
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Three time near death experiencer Dr. P. M. H. Atwater reported very similar events after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack.

She claimed to be able to astral project to the scene of 9-11 and she reported something very similar.
 
Dennis Tate said:
I assume that "as well" refers to me.......
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Yeah. That would be why I posted it directly after Rainbow Singularity's post. :rolleyes:
so although I am fairly certain that you will be annoyed by the following paragraphs they may help you to
better understand why I am fascinated with this type of information.
Former Atheist Howard Storm asked the Being of Light who was reviewing his life with him WHY the Holocaust had been permitted to occur?
Three time near death experiencer Dr. P. M. H. Atwater reported very similar events after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack.
She claimed to be able to astral project to the scene of 9-11 and she reported something very similar.
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Nope. It doesn't help understand why at all, given that all of it is unsupported, unverified and anecdotal. Not to mention using concepts known to be false.
 
Dywyddyr said:
Yeah. That would be why I posted it directly after Rainbow Singularity's post. :rolleyes:

Nope. It doesn't help understand why at all, given that all of it is unsupported, unverified and anecdotal. Not to mention using concepts known to be false.
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Sometimes the calibre of information may be sufficient to inspire us to look further for verification......
Here is a link to what near death experiencer Dr. P. M. H. Atwater describes was going on in invisible dimensions after September 11, 2001.....
actually... the following day!

For the record... many Christians would be offended by this information as well as by what Howard Storm was shown about what was going on
in the invisible dimensions at the time of The Holocaust.


http://pmhatwater.hypermart.net/resources/PDFs/911.pdf
 
Dywyddyr said:
I "believe" the science.

And you believe the conspiracy theorists.
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Some of them..... yes... compound interest over time is on one level dampening the USA and world economy.....
on the plus side.... compound interest over time is helping to decrease the degree to which we harm the environment??????

So..... in a way.. .the students of Robert Thomas Malthus are accomplishing some of what he seemed to be wanting to see happen by our time period?!
 
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