Near death experiences

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Dennis Tate, Mar 7, 2021.

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Do you think that Black Holes are involved in recycling of energy and matter?

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  1. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    What parapsychologists studying this field ever found any evidence for paranormal activities?
     
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  3. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Has there ever been any evidence of String Theory?
     
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  5. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Me thinks you are mis- using the word but in case I am incorrect can you provide what you understand about energy

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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    there is a technical difference if you are interested in the real science
    there is 99.999% religion & idealistic bullshit
    & 0.001% fact
    that 0.001% fact is information the person has previously not had or incapable of gathering outside being in specific places where they have no access like foreign country's inside building inside formed items like built in things, internal mistakes not detected like cracks or flaws etc.
    things unable to be known without uncovering something.

    but like mega churches
    its not about god
    its not about religion
    (forgot to add, its not about spirituality)
    its about money & building your own personal army(conformist social cultural group)

    that is USA culture at its pinnacle

    pure capitalism controlled by socialism with a dictatorship in charge in a pyramidal authority structure.

    basic science
    because the brain can think a lot faster than most people comprehend, and there are vast amounts of unknown functional process in the brain
    people can have post event subjective re construction of selective aspects that can form their desire
    regardless of NDE being real or an illusion created by the god region of the brain processed & manipulated by the part of the brain that deals with dying.
    etc

    most people dont want the science
    they want the religion
    equally a lot of self described atheists claim that they do not "believe" in the possible reality of sch things.
    which obliviously points out the simple fact they are religious and have a "belief system" operating.
    it helps to keep in mind the thousands of years of religious eugenics & genocide which has probably formed a governing body of people with specific mental traits.
    needing to believe in a religion would be a survival aspect

    for instance
    relative time aspects
    time flys when
    time drags/goes slow when
    etc etc

    self acclaimed atheists who claim to have a belief in not believing tend to reject the facts when they are presented in that 1 in a 1000 times of expereincer events having scientific proof.
    it panders to their religious need for belief in not changing their belief system.
    thats a human thing

    Dennis
    when i last walked away from the subject of NDE what i was left with was the lack of scientific proof showing that NDE prove the soul/consciousness can live once the brain is dead.
    THERE is your bottom marker for scientific proof
    but how many people having NDE are hooked up to diagnostic brain monitoring equipment ?
    none
    but NDE's as a functional of health care help alleviate panic around death
    it may help prevent people from causing more injury & death if people believe there is an over arching control factor that will give them comfort.

    there was plenty of well documented proof to show there is some truth to out of body consciousness
    or some other form of attainment of knowledge in an altered state.

    (((TV click bait modern people dont want to do the hard work of basic research)))
    e.g [if you can't give me what i want, the way i want it, when i want it, then it cant be true, and it is all your fault!]
     
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  8. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Yup, you're delusional as well.
     
  9. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    I believe that basic String Theory fits with the idea of the existence of Energy from Quantum Vacuum.

    If somebody thinks that energy from Quantum Vacuum is impossible....
    they are free to do that if they wish.

     
  10. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    In my opinion that was well said......
    my impressions is that even our brightest minds are scared of the rather obvious implications of String Theory......
    that to me indicates that they do have an idea of what is implied by String Theory.

    I believe that the people who consider us humans to be something like a hologram living within a Multiverse.....
    are very close to understanding some really huge truths.

    If you read the NDE's of Atheists.... you will find that they have made a sincere effort to not
    read anything extra into their impressions of what they feel they were shown during their
    NDE.

    As I go through this list I am pretty sure that I read all of these over this past decade or so....

    https://www.near-death.com/philosophy/atheism-and-ndes.html
     
  11. Luchito Registered Senior Member

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    Laser rays are the only ones to cause holograms, so such idea of we living in a hologram universe has been debunked already.

    A year after your injury I had mine. I was doing a task using a ladder, about reaching a third floor high, installing a sign on a wall over the open entrance area for a section of buildings. It wasn't my job but my department was the only one having in stock ladders and cherry pickups for this kind of duty. It was a "special assignment'. The dude who was supposed to hold the ladder forgot about me. He was listening music using his CD player with headphones and started to dance by himself. I hear the voice of guys in the parking lot saying "he is falling".

    And I saw myself going down with the ladder taking more speed and going free fall when it reached the main entrance area.

    It got me by surprise and I just fell with my legs straight. I didn't bend the knees, so the whole weight of my body leaning on my legs and back. The pressure I felt of my back cause so much pain that made me roll from one side to another on the floor while I was cursing like crazy to the other guy who was working with me. The pain started to make my body to feel like pressed from everywhere, like dormant but a strong sensation of discomfort.

    I lost the sensation of pain, it was like as being not capable to listen anyone anymore. I ended with my face looking down the floor and was incapable to move at all. To make things worst, blood was coming from behind my head like crazy. I thought my head was broken and my brains out of place. The blood was flowing and dropping in front of me and I thought that was the end of my life.

    I didn't feel anything, perhaps because the pain was so high that acted as anesthesia. Rather than fighting for survival, I remember I just said to myself, "so, this is it..."

    And there I was, looking at the floor watching myself how I was dying. I didn't think about my family, about God, about nothing, but weird reaction of mine of not being afraid but curious instead, waiting for loosing consciousnesses and "that was it".

    A voice asked my name, and I reacted to it. After I responded, the voice turned very happy and asked me my age and more. I continued responding by inertia of conversation, and I felt pressure on my head and voices telling me they will take me to a hospital.

    I was put in an ambulance. After X-rays and stitches on my head. I passed the night over there because I lost consciousnesses.

    The final diagnosis was a collapsed disc and I lost about 1" of my height. From a marshmallow form, my disc was flat as a coin. Such was the cause of my pain, the collapsed disc pressing the nerves. I was in disability for months, never accepted surgery. My head with lots of stitches healed sooner than I was expecting.

    In reality I was not close to die that day, but I felt I was, specially after loosing my hearing, incapable to move and watching my blood staining all the floor in front of me. Those moments of silence feeling alone, with pain controlling my thoughts and feelings, I understand now how people dying after being hit look so "calm" and with their sight lost looking to nowhere...

    At that moment I didn't see it "ugly", and since then I have not lost respect to life but I am not afraid of death either.

    Before I used to jump back when a dog from inside the fence of a house barked at me by surprise, today when that happens I do not go back but my hand rolls in a wrist and becomes ready to hit back. Last time that kind of scenario happened to me, I even cursed the dog and I don't know why and how, even when fear was felt strong inside me, my physical reaction was to fight.

    That accident changed me, not sure if for better or for worst.
     
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  12. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    I would say that the accident changed you for better in many ways.....
    observing your body as if from above is a very common element of a near death experience.

    Feeling rather detached from all of the events of your life up until the time of the accident is a common response as well. A friend of mine from the '80's mentioned that
    happening to him during his brush with death as well.
     
  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    ????
    In quantum field theory, the quantum vacuum state (also called the quantum vacuum or vacuum state) is the quantum state with the lowest possible energy
    FROM
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_vacuum_state
    So what is with -
    And
    Not sure about impossible, however since the quantum vacuum state is a quantum state with the lowest possible energy you might be pushing brown stuff uphill to get any out
    ASIDE FROM Energy is not stuff. So getting energy out of a quantum vacuum state seems to be saying you are expecting a quantum vacuum state to perform WORK

    Energy, in physics, the capacity for doing work.

    Let me know how that works, in your finding out and understanding

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  14. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    That is one way to look at this....
    but here is a different view....


     
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    I assume that "as well" refers to me.......
    so although I am fairly certain that you will be annoyed by the following paragraphs they may help you to
    better understand why I am fascinated with this type of information.

    Former Atheist Howard Storm asked the Being of Light who was reviewing his life with him WHY the Holocaust had been permitted to occur?


    Three time near death experiencer Dr. P. M. H. Atwater reported very similar events after the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack.

    She claimed to be able to astral project to the scene of 9-11 and she reported something very similar.
     
  16. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    You're right. It's a different view.
    But it's also an incorrect one. (That also relies heavily on known nutcases).
     
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  17. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    If you would like to believe the narrative that has been fed to you.... that is your choice.

    Why Big Oil Conquered the World

     
  18. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah. That would be why I posted it directly after Rainbow Singularity's post.

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    Nope. It doesn't help understand why at all, given that all of it is unsupported, unverified and anecdotal. Not to mention using concepts known to be false.
     
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  19. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    I "believe" the science.
    And you believe the conspiracy theorists.
     
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  20. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Sometimes the calibre of information may be sufficient to inspire us to look further for verification......
    Here is a link to what near death experiencer Dr. P. M. H. Atwater describes was going on in invisible dimensions after September 11, 2001.....
    actually... the following day!

    For the record... many Christians would be offended by this information as well as by what Howard Storm was shown about what was going on
    in the invisible dimensions at the time of The Holocaust.


    http://pmhatwater.hypermart.net/resources/PDFs/911.pdf
     
  21. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    Some of them..... yes... compound interest over time is on one level dampening the USA and world economy.....
    on the plus side.... compound interest over time is helping to decrease the degree to which we harm the environment??????

    So..... in a way.. .the students of Robert Thomas Malthus are accomplishing some of what he seemed to be wanting to see happen by our time period?!
     
  22. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    That pdf is pure bullsh*t.
     
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  23. Dennis Tate Valued Senior Member

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    But I thank you for reminding me of it because other readers of this discussion may find it quite fascinating and encouraging.
     

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