Will UK brexit on 29 March 2019?

Discussion in 'World Events' started by Saint, Mar 23, 2019.

  1. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member


    your question is equal to asking
    can the usa remove the 2nd amendment from the constitution ?
    can the usa outlaw Islamic religions ?

    technically the answer is yes
    but what the people want and will accept is 2 completely different issues.

    you must remove the crystal ball gazing aspect of your question to move the possible answers into various logical discussions.

    one of those being
    "will the UK voters & citizens accept the UK government changing the law, revoking article 50 and not seeking an exit to the current EU trade agreement ?
    the answer to that is a resounding no.
    doing so would be equal to a dictatorship and create riots in the streets.
    however, what both sides are now looking for is some way to compromise without showing any compromise.
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  3. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

    It isn't a resounding "no" at all.
    It might be amongst the politicians, but bear in mind 48.5% of those who voted wanted to remain, and a second referendum might well go their way.
    The populace would get over it if the decision was taken to revoke.
    There might be protests, just as there have been by those wanting to remain.
    It might make people apathetic toward politics for a long time, but that's pretty much par for the course.
    But we'd get over it and carry on.
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  5. Saint Valued Senior Member

    IF EU said UK must exit without deal, what can UK do?
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  7. exchemist Valued Senior Member

    It could revoke Article 50, if it does so before 12th April. This can be done by the UK unilaterally. It won't do this, but it could.

    But the position of the EU is not that the UK "must" leave without a deal. It is that, if the UK cannot agree the withdrawal deal on offer, The EU will consider giving it more time to decide, provided it can put forward a convincing new strategy for resolving the disagreement at Westminster. If no such plan is forthcoming and if the withdrawal deal is not ratified, then the UK will leave with no deal on 12th April.
  8. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    UK created BREXIT
    they triggered article 50 which is the withdrawal from the EU.
    UK parliament cant decide on the terms they want to offer for the withdrawal.
    UK have asked for an extension of time before withdrawal because the parliment cant decide on the terms.
    EU have agreed
    time runs out soon & EU will follow the rules.
    UK will be forced to follow the rules.

    this will create a lot of very expensive and slow trading and movement of people across the border into & out of the UK.

    UK Reserve bank have said currently BREXIT is costing the UK 800 million pounds per week in lost business money.

    They must follow the law.
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

    But it might keep some brown people out, so it's all worth it.
  10. exchemist Valued Senior Member

    You are right that this is what a lot of Leave supporters think. However the joke is that leaving the EU will send back a lot of white Christians from Europe and they will need to be replaced in low wage jobs - largely by Pakistanis and Africans. These people, unlike the Europeans who come to do a job and then go back home to Poland, Slovakia or Romania, are true economic migrants and will come to stay for good, job or not.

    So this is another example of how the Leave people will actually make the issues they complain about worse, not better.

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  11. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Obviously you need a wall! Impenetrable walls solve all problems, as the Maginot Line, the Berlin Wall, the Great Wall of China and the New Orleans levees have proven.
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  12. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    i don't think the great wall of china is able to be critiqued as there is no historical information to how effective it was.
    additionally, given the potential of it being guarded by garrisons of highly trained soldiers(for arguement sake)
    it would have been an exceptionally effective installation.

    back in those days people couldn't just pop around the corner to the drug store and buy a 40 foot ladder
    or steel a truck and drive it through a wire fence
    or steel a digger, load it onto a stolen truck
    drive it to a remote part of the fence, and then pile dirt up to make a ramp while crushing the fence turning it into a ramp to drive dozens of other stolen trucks over.
  13. exchemist Valued Senior Member

    Yeah. At this rate we are heading for two walls: one across Ireland and the other replacing Hadrian's wall.

    If the UK does not do a reasonable deal with the EU, we will bring back the Irish Troubles and cause Scotland to leave the Union. (And, seeing as I was born in Edinburgh, I will then apply for a Scottish EU passport.)
  14. geordief Valued Senior Member

    Why do you think that?


    I found that just by linking your post to the google search engine (right clicked on some of your text and chose google search)

    Seems that there is plenty of interesting historical evidence (not that I know any more than that short article)
  15. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

    That's not quite correct. They can't agree on ratifying the withdrawal agreement as already negotiated with the EU (and ratified by the EU).
    Or revoke Article 50, which it is well within its right to do so. Politically it is unlikely to want to do, but it remains an option until the deadline is reached.
    And they will do so. But one option remains revoking article 50 and cancelling the fiasco. Instead they'll now take their time, get a much longer extension and end up in the softest of Brexits... basically everything they had before but with zero say in anything. What a wonderful bunch of muppets my country is full of... well, just under 52% of them, any way.
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

    You are right. But they could cut down a tree and lean it against the wall. Or throw a rope over. Or they could just knock the wall down. (A lot of the Great Wall was made of mud.) Or just walk through the gates; there were many cases of vastly outnumbered Chinese guards simply pretending that they didn't see Mongol invaders.
  17. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

    I seriously despair of the politicians in my country. We voted to leave, and that was a mix of immigration control, ability to do our own trade deals, parliamentary sovereignty, and not paying into the EU coffers.
    Now they seem to be in danger of supporting an arrangement that would give us no control of immigration, no ability to do our own trade deals, and the parliamentary sovereignty that we always had. Oh, and we'd have to pay pretty much the same into the EU coffers. And for all of that we would then also lose any say in the trade deals the EU does sign up to.

    Seriously, it's a ****ing joke! And yet they all seem to think that just because c.52% voted to Leave (without any clue as to what that meant) then as long as we are technically not part of the EU then that's okay, even if it means we're hamstrung in the medium to long term.

    Needless to say I am not a happy person!
    May sense shine through.
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

    On the plus side, the UK is losing 600 million pounds a week due to the uncertainties surrounding Brexit, and that will likely get worse after Brexit occurs. So the banks will do well; lots of people will need credit.
  19. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

    Whether it will get worse depends on the type of relationship they want. Which they can't actually seem to agree, and the second round of indicative voting just now again not resulting in any option gaining a majority. Ah, well. The carousel of madness keeps revolving.
  20. sculptor Valued Senior Member

    It seems most likely that the "madness" only looks that way from the outside.
    Likely as not, while you're being distracted by the clowns, the pickpockets are moving through the crowd.
  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Yep. I guarantee you many of the people who pushed Brexit to begin with are now getting very, very rich on the results of the chaos.
  22. Saint Valued Senior Member

    how they make money?
  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Well, an easy way would be to go short on companies getting hammered by the Brexit debacle.

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