Let me rephrase the question. Are homosexuals genetic or is formed in early childhood?
I've been lambasted for banning trolls on other people's boards so I'm not going to do it again. But I'm really surprised that you're still here.
Anyway, there is a third option that a mind as narrow as yours simply couldn't find room for: There is some evidence that it may be determined by conditions
in utero.
I am curious about the phrase "our website."
I regard it as a club for people who are interested in science and scholarship. Not for trolls who wouldn't recognize the scientific method if it fell on their head.
To whom this website belongs ?
James can give you a better answer, but basically we work for a group of people who have told us that they want us to change it back into the place of science and scholarship that it was when it was first launched.
Are you implying the website belongs to pink panthers ?
Our membership includes a number of gay people, most likely roughly equivalent to their proportion in society as a whole.
Like all of our members, they are not to be insulted. Telling someone that a basic, important component of
who he is is nothing but a "disorder," based upon some crackpot research by a guy who is apparently as ignorant as Mind Over Matter himself but doesn't share the excuse of being an uneducated child, is an insult.
We can get away with treating religionists that way if we don't overdo it.
Don't you think that you bringing in creationism into this argument is out of place .
It's quite similar. A crackpot hypothesis based on not just flawed science but
fraudulent science, by people who are well enough educated to know better, in order to mislead those who trust them and promote an evil agenda.
Indeed. And since when do we have a problem with underpopulation?
It's only since the invention of the technologies of farming and animal husbandry 12,000 years ago that the human population began to grow steadily. Agriculture created a food surplus so starvation wasn't always one bad season away, and permanent dwellings allowed women to have more children since they didn't have to carry them on hunting and gathering expeditions. It's reasonable to postulate that our instincts are those of a species desperate to maintain its numbers.
Killing and stealing are natural.
Jung suggests that even religion is natural, the manifestation of some weird instincts passed down through a genetic bottleneck. He calls it a collection of archetypes.
In the animal world, is homosexual behavior mutual affection or more like rape? For example, using gay for dominance may not be be the same for the bottom dog who has no choice; pain or death.
Dogs do not actually perform copulation during their dominance ritual. You must not know much about dogs or you'd know that even females hump. Their musculature doesn't have the range of motion ours has, so they're very limited in the kinds of behaviors they can perform. They can hump because it's necessary for reproduction, so they use that posture for other purposes too.
If a dog humps your leg that does not mean you are into bestiality. That only means you are sort of a victim. But science would count you.
As I said, humping has nothing to do with sex unless the humpee is a female
in estrus.
If we came from apes . . . .
We did not "come from apes." We
are apes. We're right there in the clade with the other Great Apes (gorillas, chimpanzees and orangutans), and only one fork away from the Lesser Apes (gibbons).
. . . . and apes do the homosexual thing . . . .
Not all species. Bonobos, our closest cousins, are like us in that their females are capable of copulation when they're not in estrus, so they use intercourse as a tribal bonding ritual, and they've expanded it to twosomes, threesomes and gangbangs without regard for gender or even age. I am quite certain that gorillas, who have a much different social organization than chimps or humans, do not do this. Orangutans are not even a social species; they only pair off and copulate to procreate. I don't know much about the various species of gibbons.
. . . . since the percent of homosexaliy in humans is smaller . . . .
IIRC, there have been sightings of pairs of male chimpanzees who seem to have established a relationship similar to mates. But these are very rare. I don't think there's any question that there is an immensely higher percentage of homosexuality in humans than in any other species of ape. Perhaps any other species period. Dolphins also use sex for social bonding, but I've seen no reports of male-male sexual activity in those species.
There is no homosexuality in the animal world. It only exists in humans.
As I noted, it may exist in our closest relatives, the bonobos and the "true" chimpanzees.
In captivity, psittacine (parrot) females have been observed bonding when there are no males around. They perform their courtship behavior (a lot of regurgitation to show what a great parent you'd be). Female birds can lay infertile eggs without copulating (that's why we have chicken eggs available for breakfast) and the two females build a nest and incubate them until it's obvious that they're not going to hatch.
But this behavior is not "natural." It's the result of being in captivity. Sort of a "Stockholm Syndrome" for birds.
