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  1. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    OK, well you can learn this then: non sequitur means "it does not follow".
    As in: The comment you made is not connected to the discussion in-progress. It may well be true, but it does not follow from anything said except superficially.

    Like the kid who was asked if he had a great time at Six Flags, whose answer was "I like Turtles!".

    I'm simply asking that you 'read the room' and try to constructively participate, instead of exploiting every thread like it's your own personal blog.
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Well, you misread that post as "it does not follow". It certainly was a non fallacious comment in furtherance of trying to establish an approximate date when humans were present in East Asia and crossed over into the Americas.
    But there was more to it than a mere comment, when taken in context of all the dates mentioned in associated with first humans appearing in America

    Non sequitur may refer to:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur

    Look again at the OP title.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    *sigh* Do I have to report this thread so you don't mangle it with red herrings and non sequiturs?
     
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  7. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    You don't seem to have "drunk Stanford's solutrean hypothesis coolaide".
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Paleo-Indians
    South Asian Stone Age

    The coming of Homo sapiens[edit]

    Main article: Peopling of India

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    Bhimbetka rock painting, Madhya Pradesh, India.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_Stone_Age

    Now if anyone can sort this out I'll bow in respect.
     
  9. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    ok
    "Traditional theories suggest that big-animal hunters crossed the Bering Strait from North Asia into the Americas over a land bridge (Beringia)"
    I never bought into that crap. (and neither should you)
    The people ... used boats...
    amen to that

    "At least two morphologically different Paleo-Indian populations were coexisting in different geographical areas of Mexico 10,000 years ago"
    Now, there is a good starting point.
     
  10. C C Consular Corps - "the backbone of diplomacy" Valued Senior Member

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    Well, going back to those New World "Indians" stated to be here a million or more years ago, in that article of the OP:

    After A Cliff Collapsed In The Grand Canyon, Experts Made A Startling Discovery In The Rock
    https://magellantimes.com/s/grand-canyon-ancient-secret

    EXCERPT: Given the geological activity in the area, though, it may surprise you to hear that people have long had a presence here. At about the same time that the Colorado River carved the deepest parts of the ravine, humans first arrived in this part of Arizona. Then, more than a million years later, the first Europeans peered over the lip into the crevice below.

    Science supposedly doesn't factor into this, anyway. If institutions are kowtowing to the tralatitious narratives.[1]

    Why Is the Society for American Archaeology Promoting Indigenous Creationism?
    https://quillette.com/2021/06/13/wh...archaeology-promoting-indigenous-creationism/

    EXCERPT: The most expansive interpretations of NAGPRA’s provisions now serve to place Indigenous oral traditions, which typically include religious stories, on equal footing with traditional forms of scientific evidence such as DNA analysis. And NAGPRA’s review committees often contain traditional Indian religious leaders who assist in repatriation decisions. While it is unfashionable to say so, we do not believe that this application of NAGPRA is correct. Contrary to the popular misunderstanding of NAGPRA, human remains and artifacts are not just repatriated to lineal descendants (such as a great-great grandchild), but are often repatriated to those who are deemed culturally affiliated. This kind of link can be established through orally transmitted creation myths that are analogous to what exists in the book of Genesis—tales of the origin of the universe and of people that are based on a series of miraculous events. (In 2007, the Department of the Interior went further by attempting to extend NAGPRA’s provisions to even those remains whose connections are “culturally unidentifiable.”)

    There may be no indigenous heritage stories that specifically state the First Peoples were created a million or more years ago on the continent. But perhaps many feature them being here since either the world or North America was made.

    Iroquois: The Iroquois trace the beginning of human life to a time when Skywoman fell to an island created by a giant turtle. The island grew in shape and size and became North America. There, Skywoman gave birth to a daughter whose children propagated the human race.
    https://www.indigenouspeople.net/legend.htm

    One of the exceptions would be my own tribe's genesis story, that involves its ancestral members migrating from the west to the east, with nary much about what transpired before then. In contrast to the below, which has the Earth around long before the "Morlocks" transformed into humans.

    Tewa/Hopi: Way back in the distant past, the ancestors of humans were living down below in a world under the earth. They weren't humans yet, they lived in darkness, behaving like bugs. Now there was a Great Spirit watching over everything; some people say he was the sun. He saw how things were down under the earth, so he sent his messenger, Spider Old Woman, to talk to them. She said, "You creatures, the Sun Spirit doesn't want you living like this. He is going to transform you into something better, and I will lead you to another world." When they came out on the surface of the earth, that's when they became humans. In the journeys that followed, they were looking for a place of harmony where they could follow good teachings and a good way of life.
    https://www.indigenouspeople.net/legend.htm

    - - - footnote - - -

    [1] Though surely blood quantum certifications factor somewhere into the legal tangles of repatriations. Which often isn't science, either, but documentation. "No federally recognized tribe enrolls members solely based on DNA testing..."
     
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  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    From no on you will be on permanent "ignore". I've had enough of your petulant, nah petty behavior.
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I have always maintained that west-African coastal migration introduced humans to Europe and east-African coastal migration was responsible for dispersion eastward into Asia.

    There are two very old settlements , one in Morocco (No East-Africa) .

    Jebel Irhoud

    Middle Paleolithic
    and

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    This skull of Homo erectus georgicus from Dmanisi in modern Georgia (Caucasus) is the earliest evidence for the presence of early humans outside the African continent.

    Early hominids[edit]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Asia

    Homo erectus - A Bigger, Smarter, Faster Hominin Lineage
    By: Adam P. Van Arsdale (Department of Anthropology, Wellesley College) © 2013 Nature Education
    Coastal settlements

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    https://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/homo-erectus-a-bigger-smarter-97879043/#

    IMO, clear evidence of coastal migrations.
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Trying to establish the approximate time when the first humans appeared might help in determining when they began migrating .

    We do know when the first lines of "humans" split from our common ancestor by the actual chromosome count.
    Only humans have 46 chromosomes. All other apes have 48 chromosomes.

    Evolution

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    So there was a common ancestor to all three that split into two branches. One branch led to humans and the other led to Neanderthals and Denisovans. Since humans and Denisovans have this fusion, this implies that Neanderthals (and the common ancestor) would too.
    From 48 to 46

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    Lining up human and chimpanzee chromosomes makes it obvious that human chromsome 2 is the result of a fusion event from our past.

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    Being able to sequence one strand without the other opened up the amount of ancient DNA available for sequencing.

    .......more
    https://genetics.thetech.org/ask-a-geneticist/denisovan-chromosome-2#
     
  14. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Who were the seafarers who settled Crete 130,000 years ago?
    sapiens?
    neanderthalensis?
    other lineage?
     

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