Ebola, coming to a place near you soon!

Captain Kremmen said:
Prediction. No doctors or nurses will be infected by the disease in the treatment of the patient in New York.
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I'd say that is a fairly safe bet. We are not talking Texas here.

Unfortunately, these two incidents are devestating small businesses. A dress shop has been shut down. And the owner is in quarantine because of the Texas nurse. Now a bowling business has been shut down because of the physician.

You don't have to be infected with Ebola to be damaged by the disease. The long term damages suffered by these business owners may be more than the damage inflicted on the infected - assuming they survive.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/16/8-isol...re-closed-after-ebola-stricken-nurse-visited/

http://www.businessinsider.com/broo...down-because-ebola-patient-went-there-2014-10
 
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joepistole said:
Unfortunately, these two incidents are devestating small businesses. A dress shop has been shut down. And the owner is in quarantine because of the Texas nurse. Now a bowling business has been shut down because of the physician.
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Two businesses shut down is hardly "devastating small businesses." A water main break here caused an indefinite shutdown of an entire mini-mall; that also didn't "devastate small businesses" across the country. They will re-open as the New York places will.
You don't have to be infected with Ebola to be damaged by the disease. The long term damages suffered by these business owners may be more than the damage inflicted on the infected - assuming they survive.
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Yep. And most of that damage will be caused by irrational fear. A woman was recently airsick on a flight a colleague was going to get on. (She told the crew she was often airsick.) They cancelled the flight. How much did that cost the airline, for a non-incident that has happened literally millions of times before?

A suggestion. The next time you feel the need to gin up some more fear on the Internet, donate $10 to Doctors without Borders instead. It will help the fight against the disease, and a slight decrease in fearmongering will help businesses.
 
Captain Kremmen said:
It's almost like the virus knew where to go.
What happens if poor people get it?
Will they be able to get free treatment?
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Technically yes. Everyone is received in hospital emergency rooms. Those unable to pay would typically qualify for Medicaid, or some other government-paid healthcare scheme.

Those isolation wards look expensive.
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Their availability might be the biggest problem. Most hospitals still aren't prepared to accept Ebola cases. But given New York City's size, the international traffic that passes through it, and given Dallas' lessons about Ebola cases showing up unexpectedly, several major hospitals in NYC have probably been designated Ebola-receiving hospitals, are creating special isolation rooms and stocking up on hazmat-suits. No doubt it's a rush job and may not be complete yet. And I'm guessing that the total number of beds might not be very large. If they get lots of cases, they could easily be swamped.

Perhaps they could quarantine off the slum areas.
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People in NYC are crammed into very close proximity. Apparently this latest guy was out and about shortly before he became ill. He was riding the subway, where strangers are often squashed together. It's possible to identify and track all the passengers who shared an airplane flight, but how are you going to do that with urban public transit?
 
billvon said:
Two businesses shut down is hardly "devastating small businesses." A water main break here caused an indefinite shutdown of an entire mini-mall; that also didn't "devastate small businesses" across the country. They will re-open as the New York places will.

Yep. And most of that damage will be caused by irrational fear. A woman was recently airsick on a flight a colleague was going to get on. (She told the crew she was often airsick.) They cancelled the flight. How much did that cost the airline, for a non-incident that has happened literally millions of times before?

A suggestion. The next time you feel the need to gin up some more fear on the Internet, donate $10 to Doctors without Borders instead. It will help the fight against the disease, and a slight decrease in fearmongering will help businesses.
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LOL, if you are the owner of those small businesses , it is indeed devestating.

Honesty is fear mongering friend. complacency is why Ebola is killing thousands of folks today. Complacency and huge dose of hubris is why Ebola has come to our shores.

When you have to cherry pick and stretch the truth (e.g. Ebola is curable), and engage in name calling, to justify your assertions, there just might be a problem with your assertions.

If every time some gets infected with Ebola and if Ebola gets out of hand , the macroeconomic consequences could be devastating. If you were one of the affected business owners you would not be taking their misfortune so lightly. I imagine you have never been a small business owner and don't know what it is to run a small business.
 
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When you have to cherry pick and stretch the truth (e.g. Ebola is curable)
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Scientific American seems to disagree with your encasement.
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Ebola Doctor Reveals How Infected Americans Were Cured
Techniques used in the U.S. to treat symptoms and subdue the virus in patients could work overseas, Bruce Ribner says
August 27, 2014 |By Dina Fine Maron
Last week two American aid workers who had contracted Ebola while working in west Africa were released from a U.S. hospital and pronounced “recovered.” They had been flown to Emory University Hospital in Atlanta from Liberia earlier this month to receive care in the hospital’s specialized infectious disease unit. Kent Brantly, a physician with the humanitarian group Samaritan’s Purse, and missionary Nancy Writebol, of SIM USA, beat the strain of the disease they had contracted, which kills 52 percent of its victims. Bruce Ribner, medical director of the hospital's Infectious Disease Unit, sat down with Scientific American to explain how the two Americans were cared for, the lessons that could be applied to help patients across Africa and why the hysteria over flying the two individuals back to the U.S. was unfounded.
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If every time some gets infected with Ebola and if Ebola gets out of hand , the macroeconomic consequences could be devastating.
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If every time a new person gets infected with Ebola the reaction is fear, panic and hysteria, the macroeconomic consequences will absolutely be devastating. So decide if you want to be a cause of that.
If you were one of the affected business owners you would not be taking their misfortune so lightly.
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Nor would you be taking the misfortune of the people who lost their business to that water main break so lightly if you were one of _those_ owners.
I imagine you have never been a small business owner and don't know what it is to run a small business.
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You'd be wrong there.

But I am sure that if you ever owned a business, and that it was shut down due to irrational fearmongering, you'd be pretty angry at the people spreading the hysteria. So again, decide if you want to destroy businesses like that.
 
The Ebola czar is implementing self monitoring program beginning on Monday for folks coming countries where Ebola has reached epidemic proportions. I don't know how well that is going to work. The latest physician to contract the disease was "self monitored" too yet he has managed to shut down a bowling alley. It seems folks under a "self monitoring" program have difficulty quarantining themselves. Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Chief Medical Editor was on a voluntary quarantine but was caught breaching that quarantine and is now on a mandatory quarantine imposed by the State of Connecticut. So voluntary quarantines have not worked out real well thus far as self monitored individuals keep breaching them.

http://nypost.com/2014/10/20/snyderman-might-lose-nbc-job-after-breaking-ebola-quarantine/
 
billvon said:
Scientific American seems to disagree with your encasement.
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Ebola Doctor Reveals How Infected Americans Were Cured
Techniques used in the U.S. to treat symptoms and subdue the virus in patients could work overseas, Bruce Ribner says
August 27, 2014 |By Dina Fine Maron
Last week two American aid workers who had contracted Ebola while working in west Africa were released from a U.S. hospital and pronounced “recovered.” They had been flown to Emory University Hospital in Atlanta from Liberia earlier this month to receive care in the hospital’s specialized infectious disease unit. Kent Brantly, a physician with the humanitarian group Samaritan’s Purse, and missionary Nancy Writebol, of SIM USA, beat the strain of the disease they had contracted, which kills 52 percent of its victims. Bruce Ribner, medical director of the hospital's Infectious Disease Unit, sat down with Scientific American to explain how the two Americans were cared for, the lessons that could be applied to help patients across Africa and why the hysteria over flying the two individuals back to the U.S. was unfounded.
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If every time a new person gets infected with Ebola the reaction is fear, panic and hysteria, the macroeconomic consequences will absolutely be devastating. So decide if you want to be a cause of that.

Nor would you be taking the misfortune of the people who lost their business to that water main break so lightly if you were one of _those_ owners.

You'd be wrong there.

But I am sure that if you ever owned a business, and that it was shut down due to irrational fearmongering, you'd be pretty angry at the people spreading the hysteria. So again, decide if you want to destroy businesses like that.
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That is more than a little disingenuous don't you think? The article talked about treating symptoms. There is no indication that anything Ebola patients in the US received a cure. There have been no studies, there is no conclusive evidence of a cure for Ebola. As has been said over and over in this thread, Ebola doesn't kill 100% of its victims. Some people survive the disease naturally. There maybe some things that improve the survival odds like early administration of IV fluids. But that isn't a cure. There are a lot of factors that must be considered.

There maybe some lessons learned in the treatment of Ebola victims in the US. But that doesn't mean there is a cure. That doesn't mean if you did everything that was done in the US all victims or even most victims will survive the disease. Medical treatment in the US obviously didn't work for Duncan.

"Currently, there are no FDA-approved vaccines or drugs to prevent or treat Ebola." - FDA

http://www.fda.gov/EmergencyPreparedness/Counterterrorism/MedicalCountermeasures/ucm410308.htm

Sometimes the fear of fear is the most dangerous fear.

PS We are not talking about fire hydrants here, we are talking about a deadly, preventable, contagious disease.
 
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While the federal government won't issue a travel ban, state governments are doing something. The State of New York and New Jersey have implemented a mandatory quarantine for anyone entering the state from the afflicted regions of West Africa.

That's one of the things I like about New Yorkers, they get things done. They don't mess around. I expect more states will follow.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/10...ory-quarantine-requirement-amid-ebola-threat/
 
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Landau Roof said:
As far as I can determine after a strenuous 20.83 seconds of googling, Ebola is not yet in Britain, but you had better get your Christmas shopping done early.
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From The Guardian:
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Ebola in Britain, is it time to panic?
An Ebola patient is currently being treated in a London hospital, but although the virus is deadly, the risk of contracting it is very low
Monday 25 August 2014

Ebola virus: 'actually much less contagious than many other more common diseases'.

The World Health Organisation puts the number of people infected in the latest outbreak of the deadly Ebola virus, which has been sweeping through parts of western Africa since March, at 2,615, of whom 1,427 victims have died.

But public health officials have stressed there is little or no risk to the general public in the UK, even after the arrival in London this weekend of a British medic infected with the virus while treating patients in Sierra Leone.

That's because, although Ebola has a very high mortality rate and no treatment or vaccine has so far been licensed for it, the virus is actually much less contagious than many other more common diseases, and good infection-control practices should effectively stop its spread.
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Now we have three states implementing mandatory quarantines on returning Ebola workers. I understand Obama isn't happy about it. But I don't think there is much he can do about it. If Obama had been more proactive about Ebola, if Obama had implemented a travel ban, he wouldn't have states implementing their own quarantines. But here is the thing, it doesn't include everyone...just aid workers. It should include everyone coming from countries where Ebola is epidemic.

Quarantine and travel bans work. It worked for Nigeria which is right next door. WHO declared Nigeria Ebola free just a few days ago. Travel bans are low tech and very effective ways of controlling epidemics. We do it today with animals and no matter how much we dislike it, we are animals.
 
An Ebola patient is currently being treated in a London hospital, but although the virus is deadly, the risk of contracting it is very low
Monday 25 August 2014

Ebola virus: 'actually much less contagious than many other more common diseases'.
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Yes, that's what they keep saying.
I'm not wholly convinced.
 
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