Gas pistol for self defence

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Can you buy guns in Australia if you do not have criminal bacground? In USA, as long as you are not a criminal, you can get 10 guns easily. It is not the gun that you need, you will also need a lot of bullets to practice. Our police friend told us, we can get a 5000 round pack cheap. But then except practice a few times a year...it is a waste. Those reloads sometimes come out duds.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
No the shot you want is right on the point of the nose, or from the side right through the ear canal, if you shoot them between the eyes there is still a involuntary reaction, and the hostage could get hurt, or killed, but sever the cerebral cortex and its light out not even a twitch, look at a cross section of the human skull, that is what you need to destroy to make a dead stop no involuntary reaction shot.
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No, the point is right under the nose. I forget what it's called, but it's a critical pressure point. You know, right above your upper lip, the little indentation...yeah, that thing.
 
The point below the nose is the point snipers attempt to shoot, typically in hostage situations. Shoot for that, but upper chest is madddd effective as well.
 
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Neildo is partially right, with the human opponent it would be enough for me if he was blind for a while. With one movement I can break a leg or rip air canals out, but that's not the main point. The point is that I want to minimize the time of contact as well as minimize the risk of that contact. Gas pistol seemed to me to kinda maybe serve that purpose.
I don't want to get into trouble with a real gun. On the other hand I could always aim for the legs in the case of a human.

As for misusing handguns, I've spent a large part of my childhood with the military, and lots of that time I was practicing with various pistols, revolvers, rifles, machine guns and even a few heavy machine guns, so I know my way around.

But as I said, I'd like to have a non lethal weapon.

p.s. I don't need a gun for home defence, I need a tool for hiking against rabid farmers and their stray pets.
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Legs, arms, soulders, hands, feet, arms... there's some good places to hit people with a real gun that wont kill them but will incapacitate them. Of course if you're that worried about protecting the life of an assailant, you can always use a rubber bullet mechanism.
 
Not really worried about assailant, but our laws are very strict on the cases when you can apply a gun.
 
can i please point out that the case in question was the subject of a corinors inquest where suicide was ruled out. You need a licence to get a gun here and to get a licence you need to prove a need. Ie your a compition shooter or your a farmer ect.
 
We don't need a licence for a gas pistol, and getting a licence for a real pistol wouldn't pose much difficulty for me too, but yes, we too have to prove that we have a real need for the firearm, as well as pass medical, psychiatric, first aid and gun use tests. A licence for home defence is easier to get.
 
[a-5];1700130 said:
No, the point is right under the nose. I forget what it's called, but it's a critical pressure point. You know, right above your upper lip, the little indentation...yeah, that thing.
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Feltrim? Two major cranial nerves intersect there, and it is taught as a preferred contact point for high strikes in martial arts.

edit: more like Philtrum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philtrum
 
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kmguru said:
Make up your mind...which point is it so I can practice....:)
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The best point of aim is the point of the nose, like I say look up a diagram of the human skull and brain, it give you a good reference point to shoot at, and the target area of the cerebral cortex is large enough that the aiming point of the tip of the nose works perfectly, but you have to study the lay out of the skull so depending on the angle of the shot you know were the cortex is in retaliation to the path of the bullet.

I have done this for my hunting, I study the lay out of the internal organs of the animals that I hunt and know were to place the bullet at different shooting angles to hit the heart, brain, spine, lungs, from any angle.
 
[a-5];1700134 said:
The point below the nose is the point snipers attempt to shoot, typically in hostage situations. Shoot for that, but upper chest is madddd effective as well.
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Oh yeah, you sure sound like an expert.
 
[a-5];1700130 said:
No, the point is right under the nose. I forget what it's called, but it's a critical pressure point. You know, right above your upper lip, the little indentation...yeah, that thing.
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You got that info from Rollerball.
 
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Thanks, but I need something I can buy locally, and not import from SA.
You think that Russian model is bad?

http://www.interpolitex-mvdv.ru/expo/2819/prod_1991.htm
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That's cute, they only import the 4.5mm (.177 cal) Makarov conversion into the UK, and it shoots lead BB's. An 8mm version would be a nice toy, and most likely legal, as long as it's under 6 ft.lbs (8 joules)

It's made out of real Makarov bits, btw, the slide etc are from the same stock, just machined so reactivation isn't worthwhile, plus the magazine holds the BB's and the CO2 bulb, and of course the barrel construction is completely different. When the trigger is pulled, the whole barrell moves forward, and loads a BB through a hole, this stretches a spring round the outside of the barrel, then the trigger releases, and the barrell springs back, slamming into a valve, releasing CO2 and ejecting the BB. It's really simple, but works really well.
 
Well, Makarov is a real crap as far as pistols go, very inaccurate and jumpy, nobody in the army or police likes it.
But as this is not the real Makarov, I have the hope of the gas variant being better.
But if you realy must manually load every tear gas round, then it's not worth it.
 
My Makarov shoots OK but needs special 9MM. So we are going to dump it in favor of a Beretta. I also like my Glock but not sure if the plastic will hold up say 25 years....it may crumble to pieces. My S&W is a solid workhorse...
 
Echo3Romeo said:
Feltrim? Two major cranial nerves intersect there, and it is taught as a preferred contact point for high strikes in martial arts.

edit: more like Philtrum: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philtrum
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Yeah, I'm a black belt in Karate, Tae Kwon Do, Ninpo, and Hapkido. Knuckle strikes are lethal in that area.

phlogistician said:
Oh yeah, you sure sound like an expert.
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...Martial arts practitioner/enthusiast.

phlogistician said:
You got that info from Rollerball.
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What is Rollerball?

Echo3Romeo said:
d00d, I got 34 frags in two minutes playing Halo 3 last night. I was aiming for the philtrum!
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Funny. I happen to be a CSS player, too.
 
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