gender views cause of incel.

[Write4U]

Then you don't really know me that well.

I am beginning to know you, really! .....

 

[gamelord]

From the way you speak, yes. They HAVE solved the problem of sexualized behavior in the female.
Males are not restricted in any way, except they are forbidden to look at the genitals of overflying birds.

From what I recall Muslim males are not permitted to have sex before marriage.
And they are not allowed to be bisexual or homosexual either.
If they are homosexual they are forced to have a sex change and be a woman.
If they are bisexual they are just punished.

 

[Write4U]

From what I recall Muslim males are not permitted to have sex before marriage.
And they are not allowed to be bisexual or homosexual either.
If they are homosexual they are forced to have a sex change and be a woman.
If they are bisexual they are just punished.

Except daddy takes the son to a nice clean prostitute at 14.....just the right age to learn how to use women for sexual pleasure only.

 

[Write4U]

If they are bisexual they are just punished.

Yep, they are punished for the female gender id, not for the male gender id. Young males are not forbidden to have homosexual relations, as long as they do not live a homosexual lifestyle.

 

[gamelord]

Except daddy takes the son to a nice clean prostitute at 14.....just the right age to learn how to use women for sexual pleasure only.

Again you don't know me very well at all.
It would be nice for a woman to love me, but the sad fact is many women are narcissists who don't have love to give.
The male adapts and learns not to put his heart on his sleeves, no strings attached sex ensures defense against the loveless woman.

 

[gamelord]

Yep, they are punished for the female gender id, not for the male gender id.

Dont know what you are trying to say. But both male bisexuals and female bisexuals are not permitted in islam.

 

[sideshowbob]

the sad fact is many women are narcissists who don't have love to give.

That seems like an unfounded claim.

 

[Seattle]

Gamelord, even though many guys complain about women and many women complain about men, most people can find someone if they feel like being in a relationship (that probably includes you if that was what you were looking for).

Sometimes people (of both sexes) just aren't actively looking for that anyway after being in long relationships and now not finding anyone that they are really interested in. It gets harder with age as the pool of available people becomes less (and less attractive).

You don't find women interesting to talk to and yet expect them to want to have sex with you? That may happen for a few guys, but it isn't common.

Regarding nice clothes, why are you so fixated on only equating nice clothes with a dress (for men)? You seem to want to do that only because you know it won't be effective and then you will have one more thing to blame on women or society.

Why not just wear nice, colorful "male" clothing? Or wear a dress and become a trend setter. You aren't getting any women now so what have you got to lose?

I've noticed more people in your age group who are "unisex, gender neutral" where the girl dresses like a guy and has short hair and has a bit of a stomach and the guy dresses and looks the same, a little overweight, kind of passive.

Isn't this the group that you are looking for? If you don't find anyone interesting to talk to however you really aren't going to end up in a relationship with anyone. You can wish that women would just walk up to you and ask to have sex but it isn't going to happen.

I don't think MGTOW or INCEL videos are helping you or your mental health much, do you?

 

[gamelord]

That seems like an unfounded claim.

If I said that all women are narcissists it would be unfounded, but saying many women are narcissist is founded.

Gamelord, even though many guys complain about women and many women complain about men, most people can find someone if they feel like being in a relationship (that probably includes you if that was what you were looking for).

Sometimes people (of both sexes) just aren't actively looking for that anyway after being in long relationships and now not finding anyone that they are really interested in. It gets harder with age as the pool of available people becomes less (and less attractive).

Regarding nice clothes, why are you so fixated on only equating nice clothes with a dress (for men)? You seem to want to do that only because you know it won't be effective and then you will have one more thing to blame on women or society.

Why not just wear nice, colorful "male" clothing? Or wear a dress and become a trend setter. You aren't getting any women now so what have you got to lose?

I've noticed more people in your age group who are "unisex, gender neutral" where the girl dresses like a guy and has short hair and has a bit of a stomach and the guy dresses and looks the same, a little overweight, kind of passive.

Isn't this the group that you are looking for? If you don't find anyone interesting to talk to however you really aren't going to end up in a relationship with anyone. You can wish that women would just walk up to you and ask to have sex but it isn't going to happen.

I don't think MGTOW or INCEL videos are helping you or your mental health much, do you?

Most people do not include me, as it seems I cannot easily find a proper relationship with a member of the opposite sex. As I say "proper" it is because many married women are interested in me, but I cannot have a proper relationship with them and also it is difficult or impossible to get a one night stand with a married woman for me.

I do find some women interesting to talk to but these women either friendzone me or are already in a relationship and although interested in me, are prevented from doing so since they cannot fly.

This also brings up the sexual double standard in which homosexual men are encouraged to pursue bathhouses and endless and infinite quick, easy, and meaningless sex, while meanwhile, heterosexual males are all given arduous obstacles on the path of heterosexual release as even prostitutes are illegal in prudish Puritan america.

The thing about a dress is, noone looks twice when girls where a suit, t-shirts, jeans, or boys clothes. So why is that same equality not afforded to men? Why are emos ridiculed for wearing makeup and hot socks?

And now mgtow videos and incel videos do not help my mental health, but neither do documentaries about war, redpills are not always easy to swallow but still lookism against males exists, materialism and money worship against males exist, status discrimination exists against males exists, and is a harsh truth.

 

[sideshowbob]

If I said that all women are narcissists it would be unfounded, but saying many women are narcissist is founded.

Founded on what? I don' t think the term "narcissist" is specific enough to provide much of a foundation. I mean, a lot of people (both male and female) could be said to have narcissistic tendencies - but where do you draw the line between who "is" a narcissist and who is not?

 

[Seattle]

If I said that all women are narcissists it would be unfounded, but saying many women are narcissist is founded.


Most people do not include me, as it seems I cannot easily find a proper relationship with a member of the opposite sex. As I say "proper" it is because many married women are interested in me, but I cannot have a proper relationship with them and also it is difficult or impossible to get a one night stand with a married woman for me.

I do find some women interesting to talk to but these women either friendzone me or are already in a relationship and although interested in me, are prevented from doing so since they cannot fly.

This also brings up the sexual double standard in which homosexual men are encouraged to pursue bathhouses and endless and infinite quick, easy, and meaningless sex, while meanwhile, heterosexual males are all given arduous obstacles on the path of heterosexual release as even prostitutes are illegal in prudish Puritan america.

The thing about a dress is, noone looks twice when girls where a suit, t-shirts, jeans, or boys clothes. So why is that same equality not afforded to men? Why are emos ridiculed for wearing makeup and hot socks?

And now mgtow videos and incel videos do not help my mental health, but neither do documentaries about war.

The answer to everything is culture. You already know that so why pretend to be surprised?

Why are you so fixated on the type of clothing that our culture hasn't assigned to men? In the past, the upper class in the French court did wear feminine clothing. That's not the case today.

You are looking for problems or excuses rather than doing anything that is going to be remotely helpful to you.

You don't talk much, if at all, about what is different about you. Most guys find women that they find interesting to talk to and to be with. Both sexes have to deal with the differences between the sexes and it frustrates both from time to time. That's just dealing with reality. Men aren't women and women aren't men. If they were both the same we wouldn't be as interested in them.

What you are really describing is how much harder things are for you than for even the average guy. Why is that and what would be the most productive course of action?

 

[Seattle]

And now mgtow videos and incel videos do not help my mental health, but neither do documentaries about war, redpills are not always easy to swallow but still lookism against males exists, materialism and money worship against males exist, status discrimination exists against males exists, and is a harsh truth.

Your problem, it seems, isn't about being male. It's more about not being male culturally, isn't it?

It's not about materialism, because even if money wasn't worshiped in the U.S., you would still have issues because anyone would want someone that was able to support themselves. If you wearing a dress was more acceptable women still wouldn't be any more or less attracted to your personality.

They still wouldn't want to have sex with someone that they had nothing in common with and with someone who wasn't interested in them.

If you are outside of the norm currently then why not seek out others outside of the norm instead of aligning yourself with groups that just want to play the victim? Find a gender neutral girl rather than expect society to suddenly become gender neutral like you.

I'm not sure that "gender neutral" is the correct choice to describe you but you get the point.

 

[Tiassa]

Its like, one day you want to wear the Hindu swastika and be a being of peace, but are afraid to because people will think you are a nazi.

(sigh)

To reiterate: It's one thing if I happened to already use a particular rune or symbol in its own context, but at this point, why would I go out of my way to adopt it?

You are aware we can see your posts to other people? We can watch you be told↑ something explicitly, invoke it antithetically in response to someone else↑, and then skip over↑ the point in responding to what you were explicitly told. Yes, really, we can all watch that happen.

Part of the answer for your response to Write4U is to remind there is more appropriate symbolism, to the one; what you're less clear about is whether you're already Hindu or post-Hindu, to the one, and thus one day deciding to assert this symbol as an iteration of peace, that's your own choice. And if someone asks, you can certainly point to the specifics and offer them something more substantive than the surfers trying to pick up on the valley girls in the '80s could have come up with.

Because its an identity you just happen to be stuck with. Involuntary celibate is not a choice.

It's your choice to make it an identity.

Not getting laid in any given moment is a simple fact of life. Not getting laid frequently enough to satisfy one's arousal is a simple fact of life. So is not getting laid to one's individual satisfaction.

And the only reason it should be harder for you to get laid than it is for a Mexican to stop being Mexican would be your attitude and conduct.

Being celibate does not, for instance, generally require surgery to change.

Now you could argue that in order to "avoid" all negative association with the word incel, involuntary celibates should spell out the full word "involuntary celibate" at all times, which I think is absurd and a waste of time. But its still the Mexican argument. You can argue that Mexicans created their own culture and thus painted themselves as mexicans, just like some incels painted their own culture and painted themselves as incel, still the fact remains if you are a mexican, you are mexican, if you are incel, you are incel.

Consider the idea that if you want to wear certain clothes, it makes no difference to me or the next person. In fact, we probably won't even notice the particulars unless someone asks us to. So here's the tricky part ....

†​

.... If he shows up one day and starts complaining about the prison system, but is actually just reciting known supremacist and nationalist arguments, people might notice, at the very least, the apparent thematic disparity. If he then leads a complaint about the school system propaganda widely circulated in those particular supremacist and nationalist circles, people might notice the coincidence. Perhaps he might protest that it's just a video, and, sure, there is always that, but others notice the connection to the political argument pushed in ranting about prisons. The coinciding data points stand out, which would be why someone in that position might try to pretend a video is just a video and has nothing to do with anything else.

But what, then, if he turns up arguing about "Jew views and the rise of nationalism", and argues doctrinaire supremacist nationalism derived from make-believe about Jews and pretty much everyone else in the world? People really are going to notice, and if there is anything under the sun he might say or do to dispel the rising heap of thematic coincidences, he refuses those alternatives.

So he explains how it is like, one day he decides he wants to wear this brown shirt and these trousers and boots as a sign of worker solidarity and efficiency, but is afraid to because people will think he's some kind of Nazi. After all, people do wear brown shirts, so adopting the identity of a Brownshirt shouldn't be taken to mean anything because it's an identity he just happens to be stuck with.

The question might arise, what happens if he wears a green shirt, tomorrow; or maybe he will simply blame the penguin↱ and brownshirt it every day.
____________________

Notes:

Tomorrow, Tom. "Penguin thinks we're Nazis". This Modern World. 28 May 2018. DailyKos.com. http://bit.ly/2zojjht

 

[RainbowSingularity]

natural reflex

?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

more so when it is mutliplied in on itself double.

different universe completely.

subjective posit of self to self identify as an idiation proces to self acclimation is subjective normalcy.

your assertion is somewhat subtractive.

interesting yes.
note worthy absolutely.

surely attempting to normalise someone elses likes and modes of likes is more nazi-ish than analysis of cultural engineering dogma ?

 

[TheFrogger]

Gamelord, you sound fit. Will you go out with me?

 

[James R]

gamelord:

Women molest people with their eyes...

It's not really the same thing as molesting somebody with your body, does it?

If you don't like being "molested" by people's eyes, stay at home.

... and they walk around in sexualized clothing saying it is their right as a woman.

It's not your prerogative to dictate what other people can and can't wear.

Fine, but what about the rights of men to wear the same sexualized clothing that women get away with wearing? Of course feminists "say" they wan equality but you almost never hear them standing up for male gender rights to wear such clothing, or makeup, for that matter.

Look, we get it. You like to dress up in women's clothing and wear makeup, but you're afraid that if you come out of the closet with this then you'll get a negative reaction from society. You might be right. It seems to me that you ought to find a community that it comfortable with your cross-dressing choices and become a part of that community, rather than suppressing your desires because you feel that people won't understand you.

And if you say any of this, that sexualized clothing arouses men and thus is a form of molestation, they accuse you of perpetuating "rape culture".

What's the matter with you? Don't you have any self control? The problem here isn't women.

And lets be real, noone is saying that rape is good for women. What I do, is simply state the elephant in the closet: That the reason rape is traumatizing to women, is because they are sexually repulsed by everything about men and males in general.

You really have no clue, do you?

Rape is the most extreme violation of one's control and ownership of one's own body.

I don't think you're capable, but trying imagining what it might be like to be raped.

You ought to apologise to all the women reading this crap, because you just don't understand what you're talking about.

Women want to be heterosexual males.

Here's what I think. I think you're frustrated because you envy women. You want to dress like them. Maybe you'd like to be one. But you think you're being held back. So you're agnry and you project that onto women.

You really need to work through your own issues. It will make you a much happier person once you accept who you are rather than continuing this act that you're a hot-blooded macho man. It will also keep the women you interact with much safer.

So of course they would hate the idea of being raped by a man, what heterosexual male wouldn't?

You have no idea was rape is. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. You ought to educate yourself and apologise to your readers.

Of course men never mention this double standard, of course because men want to be slapped in the ass by women, or touched on the arm sexually by women, so by exposing the double standard, it would enforce women to have to receive male's consent for the molestation that males want women to give them, which deeply digs their own tire into the dirt.

This is so mixed up, it is hard to know where to start. If a man wants to be slapped on the ass by a woman, and he clearly and unambiguously indicates as much to her, the matter of consent is hardly a mystery.

Nobody, by definition, consents to being raped. That's what "rape" means.

If you haven't understood what informed consent means, you have no business having sex with anybody.

 

[Bells]

Sad fact of evolution, dating game has always been brutal for males, having to brutally fight each other just to get some love and attention.

Oh yeah, it's brutal for males....

25% of college women report that they survived rape or an attempted rape at some point in their lifetime.
Every 21 hours, another woman is raped on a college campus today.
75% of the women who reported a rape while on a college campus were under the age of 25.
It is estimated that 1 in 4 women will be the subject of at least one sexual attack over the course of their college career.

[...]

Up to 90% of college campus rapes occur through date rape incidents.​

My eyeroll here is not implied.

I haven't advocated rape, but if you want to spread lies and fake news like a typical modern liberal, then go ahead.

A few points about some of the arguments you have made in this thread that point to your advocating rape.

Exhibit 1:

Yes and this is what I am saying, generally women do not see a prospect of enjoying herself during a sexual encounter. This is why women play hard to get, also why bars exist and are so profitable, because women are generally not sexually attracted to men unless they are under the influence of mind altering chemicals.

When you openly advocate for drugging women for sex, under the pithy excuse that this is how women enjoy sex, you are advocating rape.

Exhibit 2:

Obvious dating would imply sexual contact, unless someone was some prude or asexual who just wanted to not be lonely

When you argue that dating implies "sexual contact", you are advocating rape. Because no, a date does not imply sexual contact.

Exhibit 3:

Sexual attraction happens under stress. This is an evolutionary mechanism. The stress must not be too high, paranoia kills sexual attraction. And yet the stress must not be too low, as it instills a lull of complacency.

No, sexual attraction does not happen under stress. Citing an evolutionary mechanism and the sentence structure implies that rape or sexual assault is required for sexual attraction, given everything you have argued in this thread..

So when you argue as such, you are literally advocating rape.

Exhibit 4:

Since the beginning of time, males have pillaged, raped, exiled and brutally fought other males for dominance.

So why is evolutionary instincts an excuse for bad behavior? Males can no longer use "evolutionary instinct" for an excuse. It seems like females get a free pass for primitive behavior by using the excuse of "can't resist their animal minds".

When you whine that men cannot "use evolutionary instinct" anymore, in the manner that you have done and in the present context, you are advocating rape.

Exhibit 5:

That the reason rape is traumatizing to women, is because they are sexually repulsed by everything about men and males in general. Women want to be heterosexual males. Essentially everything about the modern woman is a heterosexual male walking around in a female's body. So of course they would hate the idea of being raped by a man, what heterosexual male wouldn't?

When you diminish rape as you have done, when you completely invent a new definition for why rape is traumatising, you are advocating rape.

Those are just some examples I picked out in random posts.

If I was to sit down and go through each of your posts, I'd be here for days.

To address the nature of your posts in this thread, in general, I have one question..

Why do you blame and hate women for your personal inadequacies and hangup's?

 

[Beer w/Straw]

And if you say any of this, that sexualized clothing arouses men and thus is a form of molestation, they accuse you of perpetuating "rape culture". And lets be real, noone is saying that rape is good for women. What I do, is simply state the elephant in the closet: That the reason rape is traumatizing to women, is because they are sexually repulsed by everything about men and males in general. Women want to be heterosexual males. Essentially everything about the modern woman is a heterosexual male walking around in a female's body. So of course they would hate the idea of being raped by a man, what heterosexual male wouldn't?

So you're saying women despise themselves because they are a woman?

Do you agree with female infanticide as well?

 

[gamelord]

.... If he shows up one day and starts complaining about the prison system, but is actually just reciting known supremacist and nationalist arguments, people might notice, at the very least, the apparent thematic disparity. If he then leads a complaint about the school system propaganda widely circulated in those particular supremacist and nationalist circles, people might notice the coincidence. Perhaps he might protest that it's just a video, and, sure, there is always that, but others notice the connection to the political argument pushed in ranting about prisons. The coinciding data points stand out, which would be why someone in that position might try to pretend a video is just a video and has nothing to do with anything else.

The prison system has historically been a system of white oppression, created by the power elite. And I try to dismantle it and you try to moan about it.

Then I post a video trying to fix the American school system, and I complain about George Bush, and you whine and moan about it.

You know what, screw you. Done arguing with you. It feels like you are a double agent who is actually part of the Patriarchy you pretend to whine about.