Intelligent design redux

Trek said:
on’t dish it out if you can’t take it, otherwise you come across as weak and pathetic
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That was a warning to you. I have not reported you as yet for lying or trolling but that could change.
Trek said:
The Wedge report says nothing about teaching creationism as science, yet you act as though it does.
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A statement was actually read out to the kids in Dover. The teachers quite rightly refused to read it to them so one of the creationist idiots on the school board read it. 9th grade biology class

"Because Darwin's Theory is a theory, it is still being tested as new evidence is discovered. The Theory is not a fact. Gaps in the Theory exist for which there is no evidence. A theory is defined as a well-tested explanation that unifies a broad range of observations.

Intelligent design is an explanation of the origin of life that differs from Darwin's view. The reference book Of Pandas and People, is available for students to see if they would like to explore this view in an effort to gain an understanding of what intelligent design actually involves."

This creationist garbage referenced "Of Pandas and People" more creationist garbage and 60 copies of which was donated by Bonsell's father through Buckingham's church to school.

The teachers saw through it, the judge saw through it, even though Bonsell lied claiming he know nothing of the book,. The judge actually called him a liar. A creationist liar- plenty around right?.

From the judge

" an educator reading the disclaimer is ENGAGED IN TEACHING (my bold), even if it is colossally bad teaching. ... Defendants' argument is a red herring because the Establishment Clause forbids not just 'teaching' religion, but any governmental action that endorses or has the primary purpose or effect of advancing religion.

Trek said:
Stop being disingenuous.
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a hem..
Trek said:
Don’t you think his concern is warranted?
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Nope

Trek said:
What would you say to that scientist?
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Are you rejecting the Theory on religious grounds like Dover school board set of liars or do you have a genuine concern?
Trek said:
extreme intricacy of the genetic code and its many most intelligent strategies to code, decode, and protect its information
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Information is not protected, our genome is up to 8% ERVs, viral DNA, some of this DNA is important in some cancers that is NOT good for life and certainly has no intelligence behind it.

This DNA is from our primate ancestors which demonstrates common ancestry we actually do not need fossils to prove Evolution
 
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Trek said:
The claim was that they are using ID as a Trojan horse to trick the students into learning creationism as science.
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So since these creationist liars tried to force the teachers to read that disclaimer to kids, 8th grade Biology, referencing a creationist book, donated via the board even though told bare face lies in court about it, where do you think it would have stopped?
If they could have got away with it?
The only reason they did not get away with it is because they lost the case big time.
 
Trek said:
Explain this nonsense please…
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You resorted to silly name calling, that is trolling. You pretended not to understand simple analogy, pretending is dishonest and trolling.
If you stop now we can move on.
 
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Pinball1970 said:
I think you have told lies and or pretended not to understand.
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So what does this nonsense have to do with …

“Don’t dish it out if you can’t take it, otherwise you come across as weak and pathetic”

See you do come across as weak and pathetic because you cannot take what you dish out.
Only in this instant it is true that I asked one question of you well over 5 times and you’ve yet to show any real evidence of your dogmatic claim
 
Pinball1970 said:
You resorted to silly name calling, that is trolling. You presented not to understand simple analogy, pretending is dishonest and trolling.
If you stop now we can move on.
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Says him who just a few posts up said “…these
creationist liars“. :D
And that just on this page.
Pathetic!
 
Trek said:
Who were the creationists?
What did they lie about!
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Please do not take my word for it.

Judge jones wrote after the trial.

"The inescapable truth is that both [Alan] Bonsell and [William] Buckingham lied at their January 3, 2005 depositions. ... Bonsell repeatedly failed to testify in a truthful manner. ... Defendants have unceasingly attempted in vain to distance themselves from their own actions and statements, which culminated in repetitious, untruthful testimony."
 
Pinball1970 said:
Please do not take my word for it.

Judge jones wrote after the trial.

"The inescapable truth is that both [Alan] Bonsell and [William] Buckingham lied at their January 3, 2005 depositions. ... Bonsell repeatedly failed to testify in a truthful manner. ... Defendants have unceasingly attempted in vain to distance themselves from their own actions and statements, which culminated in repetitious, untruthful testimony."
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Not only that: there was a long story of bullying and intimidation of the teaching staff at the school as well, in an attempt to coerce them into using this "Of Pandas and People" creationist book in biology classes.

Nice people, these soi-disant Christians.:cool:
 
Here are a couple of excerpts from the book Of Pandas and People.
Please point out the creationist aspect which drives the paranoia of the Darwinists believing that ID is a Trojan horse for teaching creationism in science…


“If science is based upon experience, then science tells us the message encoded in DNA must have originated from an intelligent cause. But what kind of intelligent agent was it? On its own, science cannot answer this question;”


"Since both written language and DNA have that telltale property of information carried along by specific sequence of words' and since intelligence is known to produce written language, is it not reasonable to identify the cause of the DNA's information as an intelligence too?"

(Of Pandas and People, 2"* ed., 1993, pg. 57)

I will post more to see if creationism is really at the heart of the book. So far it isn’t imo
 
Trek said:
Here are a couple of excerpts from the book Of Pandas and People.
Please point out the creationist aspect which drives the paranoia of the Darwinists believing that ID is a Trojan horse for teaching creationism in science…


“If science is based upon experience, then science tells us the message encoded in DNA must have originated from an intelligent cause. But what kind of intelligent agent was it? On its own, science cannot answer this question;”


"Since both written language and DNA have that telltale property of information carried along by specific sequence of words' and since intelligence is known to produce written language, is it not reasonable to identify the cause of the DNA's information as an intelligence too?"

(Of Pandas and People, 2"* ed., 1993, pg. 57)

I will post more to see if creationism is really at the heart of the book. So far it isn’t imo
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It is. They just changed the words "creationism" to "intelligent design." Exchemist point this out to you.

"Before publication (Of Pandas and People), early drafts used cognates of "creationist". After the Edwards v. Aguillard Supreme Court ruling that creationism is religion and not science, these were changed to refer to "intelligent design". The second edition published in 1993 included a contribution written by Michael Behe."

So, liars that these people are, they realised they could not sneak the book into school as science with the word creationism in there as they would get found out in court again so they just changed it.
It did not work.

I wonder what they will name it next time?

Design Science?
 
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