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i want everybody here to construct orgone devices there very simple to make wont take long or cost hardly anything, everyone here is capable of constructing one it dosent take much, Orgone energy (Qi) has been overlooked far too much and it is time for people to make individual studies about this, and experiments need to be done with finished conclusions.

reichs work was locked up in a vault for 50 years he didnt want the last generation dealing with it with judicial murder, so he planed to release it around 2007 (i think) so that our generation will be able to try to understand its concepts with more open mindedness.




i have so much more to post about this topic scientific theories on everything will have to be reasessed and start over incorperating the existance of this sub energy.



peace
 
Mr. Chi, would you do me a favor and tell me a source for the "locked up in a vault" story? I've never heard it. About orgone I am one of the more knowledgeable laymen around. I do not think that there are any secrets out there. Usually all of the relevant materials are available by interlibrary loan and they can be purchased through their website.

I have been tracking this subject and experimenting with it for more than 25 years.
 
http://www.wilhelmreichmuseum.org/04_10_update.html#archives



THE WILHELM REICH ARCHIVES
“The Archives of the Orgone Institute” is the official name of what we commonly refer to as “The Wilhelm Reich Archives.” And in late 2007 or early 2008, these Archives will become accessible to scholars and researchers. Therefore we will periodically provide information about the Archives in these monthly Updates and on our Web site.


i will find alot more links if you want that was just the first one that came up for me.




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anyway metakron i might be wrong but its what ive read on alot of well based sites. anyway you have experience in it, you could say ive studied orgone energy for over 17 years if you believe Qi is orgone wich i do, would you post your experimental reults on this forum please if you undergo any i would love to hear what devise you used and the outcome.


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OK, now that you have explained what was locked up for all these years, I can get a firmer grip on the idea. I know that his books have been continuously available. I hope that the trust isn't forced to decide that the 2007 environment is too hostile. I also hope that in the interest of preserving these documents, they scan each one and distribute the scans far and wide. I am guessing that we are looking at something like half a million pages of material there. What I wish some companies would do is offer a hard drive with a dataset like that on it. It's going to take a hundred CDs or at least ten DVDs to get it all.

My experiments have all been enthusiastic amateur experiments with not much attention paid to scientific rigor. I don't document everything that I do with a computer. I didn't document what I did with orgone. I just used it. Sometimes it seems really good for dispelling the particular infection that is being passed around the workplace. I am not at all sure why I let my investigations lapse.

I have a favorite recipe for SAPA (SAnd PAcket) bions. Make or buy chicken broth. Chill it so that the fat congeals, then filter it through whatever you have handy. Sprinkle some salt substitute, which is mostly potassium chloride, into the mix. Get some fine sand. Heat it to red heat in a crucible or over a propane torch. Grind the sand in a glass crucible. Throw that in. It will work, in my experience, to set it in a mason jar with cloth under the ring. It's more standard to put it in a Florence flask and put cotton in the neck of the flask. Then you can boil it over a flame or in a pressure cooker. I used to take an aluminum pie pan, turn it upside down, cut holes in it, and make a depression in the center for a flask to sit in. Mason jars also work. The flasks are easier to tip over but the Mason jars don't look so much like a drug factory, although these days just about anything looks like a meth lab. Pressure cook it for a half hour, and know how to use the pressure cooker before applying heat to it. You can't just crank the flame on high. If you do, you have to be there constantly to watch for it to start to boil, then back the flame off, then fiddle with it until the weight over the hole in the lid rocks. Keep it near the absolute minimum heat or internal pressure will build until you either loose the safety plug or the pot explodes. Or you can just set the flask or jar in an open pan of boiling water. In my experience this works.

The precision with which you do this depends on exactly how scientific you want to be about it. I only know that the radiation is present by its feel and its effects. I am a sensitive. I can feel it sort of like leakage current when the chassis of a device is hot but I am not grounded. Like I said, to me it's a tool. I am interested in refining the use of that tool.
 
do you have any knowlegde about Qi energy and have you compared the 2 and looked into the ancient teachings?


i have blueprints of how to build 3 types of orgone devises have you made a HHG or accumilator, or a cloudbuster?. i would like to her about results using cloudbusters and generators.


peace
 
I've made some variations on the accumulator. It's easy to make them out of common materials. I think that aluminum works, personally, for the metal. Some writers haven't been so sure, but when I tried it it seemed to energize me. Even doing something as simple as putting steel wool inside a blanket folded in half seems to work. I would prefer to find some way to fireproof that rig, or maybe use something like copper that doesn't burn as easily.

About the Qi or Chi energy, I think it's pretty much the same thing. Orgone energy is only part of the system.

What is an HHG?
 
Some writers haven't been so sure, but when I tried it it seemed to energize me.
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Now if we could get the resources together to do a double blind clinical trial.... :)
 
The orgone accumulator is pretty dangerous. It simply draws in the surrounding orgone(whether OR or DOR) to an area.

I read about an HHG, it supposedly attracts DOR then through certain crystals converts it into OR, and radiates OR. Kind of like an air cleaner (for orgone).

This guy named Karl Welz was the first to make an Orgone Generator (as opposed to an accumulator). He says that the Orgone Generator automatically converts DOR into OR. On one of his sites, it says that the HHG is simply an accumulator with crystals.

I'm not sure who to trust on this subject.

I've had many experiences. I put a magnet on a orgone generator image, and the next day the magnet seem to radiate this static electromagnetic like force, then I realized this was because metallic objects attract and radiate Qi (according to Reich). When I put the orgone generating grid in my bedroom, the next day after sleeping for just 3 hours, when I woke up I had lots of energy, I didn't feel lethargic at all. I also noticed that my bedroom was hotter than usual (even though it was cold outside).

What type of controlled experiments should we conduct? Should we study the effects of Qi on water, plants, insects, bacteria, cells, etc...? If the Qi uses gravity, light, and electromagnetic activity as mediums shouldn't there be a way to manipulate all of these? I read about Reich postulating a theory of negative gravity. Also, there must be a way to convert Qi into electricity or mechanical energy. Does anyone know how much Orgone is available in the universe? Is there an infinite supply? What effect does Qi have on magnetism?
 
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It is better to keep orgone accumulators away from things like computers and fluorescent lights. I suspect that DOR comes in more than one flavor. I have a certain hypothesis that I believe is plausible. Some of it is like ashes or red-shifted photons. It is dim and life-draining. Some of it has shifted towards the blue or the violet. It is damaging because it is too energetic. Some of it seems to have the wrong order to it. Orgone consists of a certain set of low frequency and high frequency vibrations on some kind of organizing principle. It carries energy that can actually be seen, as if on a curved string. The string itself is energy vibrating at a certain frequency, and it tumbles through space quite slowly. There are known physical principles that can make a plausible explanation for its behavior. You can think of it as too hot, too cold, or as being carried in the wrong capsule.

I wouldn't be too sure that DOR couldn't be converted to OR. Crystals could
draw off the excess energy if it is overexcited. That kind of DOR passing through quartz or salt would donate energy to the electronic lattices, which would distribute it through the entire crystal or bunch of crystals. If the crystals are in water, and the water is grounded through a conductive material, and if the orgone manifests as electricity after it is processed by the crystals, then the excess energy can be safely carried away to the ground. Depleted orgone particles could on the other hand nest in the crystal lattices and accept energy from them. The energy would come from a source of visible light or near infra-red. It is much better to use natural sunlight. If using artificial lighting, I recommend that the lighting either be incandescent or white LEDS, and that its power be filtered DC. It needs to have a diffuse spectrum and avoid any strong single-frequency or monochromatic emissions. Thermal sources of light, like a lightbulb filament, are good. Fluorescents are too spikey. Candles are good, but be extremely careful with fire. I don't think there is any need for large single crystals.

I'm just tossing out hypotheses off the top of my head anyway. Please don't take my word as a strict definition of anything. Reich said avoid radioactivity, X-rays, high voltage, and fluorescent lights. Even without using orgone apparatus, doing this can make people feel better. I think that I would also avoid getting high levels of orgone next to depleted uranium.

Is there an infinite supply? I think that orgone is one more type of electromagnetic energy, composed of a strand of electromagnetic force with a packet of EM force at one end. It has a head and a tail. I think that it naturally develops from the ambient energy anywhere the conditions are right.
 
building the accumilator is considered dangerous, i dont recommend we do tests on accumilators i think we should use HHG's and Cloudbusters read the links i gave in free thought thread section, it tells you ways to construct safe versions, and also tells you of the warnings and guidelines about dead orgone (evil Qi basicaly) and how to drain it off correctly into running water streams etc, have a good read up on cloudbusters and HHG's and people who have actually studied them first hand with results,


google it,


peace
 
I have a question...we know that Orgone isn't physically within objects (it's pre-atomic)...so does that mean that matter emits orgone, that matter comes from orgone, or that the orgone energy surrounds the atomic structure of matter?
 
MetaKron said:
Mr. Chi, would you do me a favor and tell me a source for the "locked up in a vault" story? I've never heard it. About orgone I am one of the more knowledgeable laymen around. I do not think that there are any secrets out there. Usually all of the relevant materials are available by interlibrary loan and they can be purchased through their website.

I have been tracking this subject and experimenting with it for more than 25 years.
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Robert Pavlitta's psychotronic generators use orgone or Chi. refer to book "psychic discoveries behind the iron curtain".
Do you know of any websites about the psychotronic generators.
Very Important. I strongly suspect that ufos have these generators in them and are using orgone or chi for propulsion.
Show me how to build psychotronic generators.
 
VitalOne said:
The orgone accumulator is pretty dangerous. It simply draws in the surrounding orgone(whether OR or DOR) to an area.

I read about an HHG, it supposedly attracts DOR then through certain crystals converts it into OR, and radiates OR. Kind of like an air cleaner (for orgone).

This guy named Karl Welz was the first to make an Orgone Generator (as opposed to an accumulator). He says that the Orgone Generator automatically converts DOR into OR. On one of his sites, it says that the HHG is simply an accumulator with crystals.

I'm not sure who to trust on this subject.

I've had many experiences. I put a magnet on a orgone generator image, and the next day the magnet seem to radiate this static electromagnetic like force, then I realized this was because metallic objects attract and radiate Qi (according to Reich). When I put the orgone generating grid in my bedroom, the next day after sleeping for just 3 hours, when I woke up I had lots of energy, I didn't feel lethargic at all. I also noticed that my bedroom was hotter than usual (even though it was cold outside).

What type of controlled experiments should we conduct? Should we study the effects of Qi on water, plants, insects, bacteria, cells, etc...? If the Qi uses gravity, light, and electromagnetic activity as mediums shouldn't there be a way to manipulate all of these? I read about Reich postulating a theory of negative gravity. Also, there must be a way to convert Qi into electricity or mechanical energy. Does anyone know how much Orgone is available in the universe? Is there an infinite supply? What effect does Qi have on magnetism?
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Read PSYCHIC DISCOVERIES BEHIND THE IRON CURTAIN.
Robert Pavlitta's psychotronic generators convert chi into mechanical energy and and electrostatic type energy also. They can also help plants grow faster or kill flies.

Does anyone know of a website telling how to build the psychotronic generators?
Strongly suspect that ufos have these devices, and use chi for propulsion.
 
VitalOne said:
I have a question...we know that Orgone isn't physically within objects (it's pre-atomic)...so does that mean that matter emits orgone, that matter comes from orgone, or that the orgone energy surrounds the atomic structure of matter?
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Orgone seems to be the same energy called psychotronic energy by the Czechs and bioplasmic energy by the russians.
See Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain [very famous book, you can read about it on the web and buy it on the web.]
The orgone or Chi, seems to be a mental energy existing in a mental dimension. It is the energy that connects the non physical mind with the physical body and enables you to move your body at will.
Kirlian photography [Putting body parts in varying electric fields and filming it] shows bright flares of chi energy at all of the accupuncture points of the Chinese. The aura energy, can be filmed to change with changes in thoughts and feelings. That is why Chi should be considered a mental energy.
Chi acts like another force that is holding the other energies of the aura together and directing them according to the mental will of people.
It seems to be a mental energy of some sort, capable of controlling the other energies.
Psychic healers concentrate on healing and the photographs show chi focusing into a bright beam coming out of the healers hands, when it is put in the kirlian photography electric fields.
 
ghost7584 said:
Orgone seems to be the same energy called psychotronic energy by the Czechs and bioplasmic energy by the russians.
See Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain [very famous book, you can read about it on the web and buy it on the web.]
The orgone or Chi, seems to be a mental energy existing in a mental dimension. It is the energy that connects the non physical mind with the physical body and enables you to move your body at will.
Kirlian photography [Putting body parts in varying electric fields and filming it] shows bright flares of chi energy at all of the accupuncture points of the Chinese. The aura energy, can be filmed to change with changes in thoughts and feelings. That is why Chi should be considered a mental energy.
Chi acts like another force that is holding the other energies of the aura together and directing them according to the mental will of people.
It seems to be a mental energy of some sort, capable of controlling the other energies.
Psychic healers concentrate on healing and the photographs show chi focusing into a bright beam coming out of the healers hands, when it is put in the kirlian photography electric fields.
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Unbelievable. Since Kirlian photography became a fad in the 1970s, it's been debunked more times that you can count.

For a simple experiment, try this. Have someone in a room stand and make a Krilian photograph of him. Then have him shuffle his feet on the carpet (if he happens to be wearing tennis shoes or others with rubber soles, so much the better).

Now take another picture.Amazing! That little bit of effort generated a tremendous aura! Isn't it interesting how little it takes to put life in the "life-force" field. :D

I'm constantly amazed and saddened at how often supposedly intelligent people will fall for all this simple trickery.
 
Science does not progress because of nay sayers. It progresses in spite of them.

"It is the responsibility of scientists never to suppress knowledge, no matter how awkward that knowledge is, no matter how much it may bother those in power. We are not smart enough to decide which pieces of knowledge are permissible and which are not."
--Carl Sagan, in a 1991 commencement address at UCLA

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance!"
--Albert Einstein

"The world is a dangerous place. Not because of the people who are evil; but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
--Albert Einstein

"There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such trifling investments of fact."
--Mark Twain

"Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but usually manages to pick himself up, walk over or around it, and carry on."
--Winston Churchill

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance--that principle is contempt prior to investigation."
--Herbert Spencer

"If you are going to tell people the truth, you had better make them laugh or they will kill you."
--Oscar Wilde

Truth will first be ridiculed, then violently opposed, and finally accepted as self-evident; A. Schopenhauer 1788-1860

The research into Kirlian photography is valid, the research into ufos is valid, the research into orgone or chi is valid.

People that embrace unreasonable skepticism have an attitude that is invalid.
 
ghost7584 said:
Orgone seems to be the same energy called psychotronic energy by the Czechs and bioplasmic energy by the russians.
See Psychic Discoveries Behind the Iron Curtain [very famous book, you can read about it on the web and buy it on the web.]
The orgone or Chi, seems to be a mental energy existing in a mental dimension. It is the energy that connects the non physical mind with the physical body and enables you to move your body at will.
Kirlian photography [Putting body parts in varying electric fields and filming it] shows bright flares of chi energy at all of the accupuncture points of the Chinese. The aura energy, can be filmed to change with changes in thoughts and feelings. That is why Chi should be considered a mental energy.
Chi acts like another force that is holding the other energies of the aura together and directing them according to the mental will of people.
It seems to be a mental energy of some sort, capable of controlling the other energies.
Psychic healers concentrate on healing and the photographs show chi focusing into a bright beam coming out of the healers hands, when it is put in the kirlian photography electric fields.
Click to expand...
This seems plausible...but hasn't Kirlian photography been debunked a lot, things like scissors and non-organic, non-living objects in photographs give off the same type of aura as living things.

Since Yi (Intention) directs the Qi this seems plausible. A mental dimension? You mean like one of the dimensions in the superstring theory? Also, why does Qi have a strong connection to waves and radiation? For instance, Reich observed Qi is the medium for electromagnetism, light, and gravity, all which are wave-related?

Also, if Qi is mental energy, then why do things like orgone accumulators, certain geometic images, and orgone generators produce this mental energy? Wouldn't it only be able to be produced by Yi (intention) if it's mental energy?Unless you are saying that all matter has Yi behind it, like all matter has a consciousness of it's own, then it doesn't make much sense.
 
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