Skeptics have already made their minds up about UAPs

Discussion in 'Conspiracies' started by Yazata, Sep 1, 2023.

  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No..meteorites don't exhibit the same flight behavior as uaps. See post #29.
     
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  3. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Imagine sitting on a hill holding your gf hand watching them? Knowing absolutely nothing about comets?
     
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  5. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Not the ones I saw. Coming into the atmosphere hard at different angles is like skimming stones. Different composition, weights. Some were perfect straight lines, some skimmed along like crazy and changed direction.
    I know about comets and the atmosphere and friction.
    So that's fine, say we didn't? What then?
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Why? I'm not ignorant of meteorites.
     
  8. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Say you were?
     
  9. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Or northern lights? What are they? Alien signals?
     
  10. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Can you see what I am getting at?
     
  11. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    They don't exhibit the flight behavior of uaps either.
     
  12. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    I did not ask that. Would they be in the mix if you nothing about the sun's activity and earths magnetosphere?
     
  13. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    You dismiss that phenomena because it has been explained by science, even if not fully.
     
  14. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    No..because they don't exhibit the flight behavior of uaps. Moving on..
     
  15. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    If meteorites were not explained to you by science, they would be in the mix. Same with solar phenomena.
    Why wouldn't they be?
    Military phenomena domestic and foreign no one will ever tell you about.
    We have no idea what that stuff does.
    There are other explanations.
     
  16. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I consider myself a “skeptic,” but some people like Mick West call themselves skeptics but they’re too dogmatic to have that title, imo. Science can’t overcome bias.
     
  17. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    As always, all someone has to do is prove he's wrong. Even once.
    Shouldn't be that hard, right?
     
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    I didn't claim they did; that is a strawman argument.

    What I DID say is that without using the scientific method, any explanation at all can be defended. Which is why it's important to use it.
     
  19. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Has he ever been proven right? I don't recall if he has.

    That's the thing about the skeptic's position. It's slippery and non-committal. Could be a bird or a balloon or a meteor or a droplet of water on the lense. So many possibilities but nothing certain. The need to raise doubt and to debunk but not to ever make a solid claim. Hence they are never wrong..
     
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  20. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Proving what, exactly? I think that West mainly criticizes the notion that space aliens exist (based on the refutable evidence out there using the scientific method), which is fine.

    While I don’t think that West should be classified as a villain, its important to not trivialize the claims that the tic tac flying object as one example, has no explanation. That to me, is progress. I’m not sure if West accepts that the tic tac flying object is currently “unidentifiable.”
     
  21. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    That's not true. Outside of some magical method for discovering the truth, there is always the evidence and logic and the knowledge gained about the phenomenon thru observation. People find explanations everyday without recourse to the scientific method. Truth is not the sole provenance of science.
     
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  22. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yep. And there is a magical way of discovering the truth.

    Someone sees lightning hit a building. They find out someone evil was living in that building. Therefore, through evidence and logic, God was mad at that person. And they used their powers of observation to determine that the lightning did indeed hit that building. Done!

    Or you can use science, and say "the hypothesis is that God causes lightning strikes where evil people live. To test this I will observe as many lightning strikes as possible to see if this hypothesis is true. But when I did that test, 99.9% of lightning strikes hit trees, mountains, powerlines or clouds where no evil person was. Therefore that hypothesis is falsified."

    Science! It's like magic, only real.
     
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  23. Pinball1970 Valued Senior Member

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    Did you look at the NASA stuff. There is a four hour discussion
     

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