UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

I will concede that such a mistake occurs every now and then.
Okay.

But I see no evidence of it occurring that often.
By compare, I see no evidence to suggest it doesn't occur that often.

They probably go over the planet Venus and other illusions in pilot training school.
Why presume when you can research:

http://www.cfinotebook.net/notebook/aeromedical-and-human-factors/illusions-in-flight

Conclusion:
  • Illusions rank among the most common factors cited as contributing to fatal aircraft accidents
  • The degree of disorientation may vary considerably with individual pilots, as do the conditions which induce the problem
  • Various complex motions and forces and certain visual scenes encountered in flight can create illusions of motion and position
  • Spatial disorientation from these illusions can be prevented only by visual reference to reliable, fixed points on the ground or to flight instruments

Also, just asked one of my co-workers, who has his pilots license - no, they never bothered to cover Venus, ExtraTerrestrials, or other such things in flight school.
 
Also, just asked one of my co-workers, who has his pilots license - no, they never bothered to cover Venus, ExtraTerrestrials, or other such things in flight school.

That's probably because the only ones who assume pilots are astronomically illiterate are ufo debunkers.

Maybe you should ask your co-worker if he knows what the planet Venus looks like in the sky..
 
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That's probably because the only ones who assume pilots are astronomically illiterate are ufo debunkers.

Maybe you should ask your co-worker if he knows what the planet Venus looks like in the sky..

Moving the goalposts now? For shame.

The answer is yes - he is aware of what Venus looks like.
 

Indeed, Bingo. We have concluded that, in general, planets are not talked about in flight school, and an intelligent person with several years flight experience is capable of looking up at the sky and going "Yep, that's a planet".

He also would like to state, for the record, that he has had several oddities occur in flight, none of which made him jump to "oh look aliens" (including a near miss from another small aircraft that had lost all exterior lights)
 
Indeed, Bingo. We have concluded that, in general, planets are not talked about in flight school, and an intelligent person with several years flight experience is capable of looking up at the sky and going "Yep, that's a planet".

He also would like to state, for the record, that he has had several oddities occur in flight, none of which made him jump to "oh look aliens" (including a near miss from another small aircraft that had lost all exterior lights)

Wow..he saw other planes. lol! As for oddities, yeah... that's pretty much how a ufo presents itself. Something so odd that it can't be explained by anything natural or manmade. See the pilot encounters I just posted about in preceding posts #176 and #179.
 
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Here's another compelling account of a ufo seen by three jetliner pilots all at once:

"During the Fall of 1952, three airliners 15 minutes apart sighted a UFO simultaneously. Pan American Airways Captains Charles Zammett, Robert Harris, and William Hutchins were flying DC-4 aircraft about 600 miles south of New York, enroute from New York City to San Juan, Puerto Rico. Suddenly they all saw ahead of them a huge green ball, extremely brilliant and much larger than a full moon in apparent size. The object seemed to be absolutely stationary.

The sighting was not reported to anyone until several years later when one of the pilots happened to fly with Capt. William B. Nash, PAA pilot and NICAP Adviser. Captain Nash describes what happened next:

One ship called to one of the others: "Do you see that?"
"I'll say I see it! What the devil is it?"

Then the third crew broke in: "We see it too. Who could miss it!"

The three pilots continued to watch the amazing sight for about 45 seconds, as the UFO stood perfectly still. Then one pilot started to ask: "Do you think we'll pass it---------- wow! Look at it go !"

Just then the bright green orb suddenly sped off to the west at fantastic speed. They watched it move straight away from them on a horizontal path gradually diminishing in size, seemingly due to perspective diminishment."---http://www.nicap.org/ufoe/section_5.htm
 
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Here's another compelling account of a ufo seen by three jetliner pilots all at once:

"During the Fall of 1952, three airliners 15 minutes apart sighted a UFO simultaneously. Pan American Airways Captains Charles Zammett, Robert Harris, and William Hutchins were flying DC-4 aircraft about 600 miles south of New York, enroute from New York City to San Juan, Puerto Rico. Suddenly they all saw ahead of them a huge green ball, extremely brilliant and much larger than a full moon in apparent size. The object seemed to be absolutely stationary.

The sighting was not reported to anyone until several years later when one of the pilots happened to fly with Capt. William B. Nash, PAA pilot and NICAP Adviser. Captain Nash describes what happened next:

One ship called to one of the others: "Do you see that?"
"I'll say I see it! What the devil is it?"

Then the third crew broke in: "We see it too. Who could miss it!"

The three pilots continued to watch the amazing sight for about 45 seconds, as the UFO stood perfectly still. Then one pilot started to ask: "Do you think we'll pass it---------- wow! Look at it go !"

Just then the bright green orb suddenly sped off to the west at fantastic speed. They watched it move straight away from them on a horizontal path gradually diminishing in size, seemingly due to perspective diminishment."---http://www.nicap.org/ufoe/section_5.htm

So a huge ball, and not a single radar operator picked it up?

I can't account for the duration, but this seems very similar to Ball Lightning, which had had some interesting videos (this one with spectrograph analysis)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...cientists-capture-footage-ball-lightning.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ball_lightning#Direct_measurements_of_natural_ball_lightning

The apparent sudden acceleration makes sense - as it fades away, it would appear to rapidly diminish in size, which, failing any other sense of scale (being airborne, there would be nothing to compare it to), would give the appearance of a rapid retreat from the area.

This theory has several proposed causes. The only abnormality is, again, the duration... though I have to question - three independent planes, three independent pilots, and nobody reported this until years later? I would question the accuracy of that duration at that point.
 
Nope..not ball lightning. Ball lightning is only the size of a golfball up to a few meters across. This radiant green ball was huge---bigger than the apparent size of the moon. And it hovered 45 seconds, another reason it isn't ball lightning. After that it sped off in a horizontal direction until it disappeared, again disqualifying it for ball lightning. You can't edit out of the account the things that don't fit your conclusion.
 
I will concede that such a mistake occurs every now and then.
Hmm..

But I see no evidence of it occurring that often.

Thousands of World War II pilots, flying at altitudes higher than ever before frequented by men, often reported being paced by a bright glowing object. On occasion, gunners opened fire, fearing they were being attacked by secret Axis air weapons.​

That's just in the space of a few years during the war.. Nah, not often at all....

They probably go over the planet Venus and other illusions in pilot training school.
Would this be before or after learning about how to land a plane?

That's probably because the only ones who assume pilots are astronomically illiterate are ufo debunkers.
And yet, thousands of pilots in a fairly short time frame during the war, thought Venus was something else entirely.

I guess they didn't attend the optical illusion class in pilot training...

This radiant green ball was huge---bigger than the apparent size of the moon.
My thumb is bigger than the moon, depending on how far or close it is to my face when I hold it up to the moon.

Does that mean my thumb is physically bigger than the moon itself?
 
And it hovered 45 seconds, another reason it isn't ball lightning. After that it sped off in a horizontal direction until it disappeared, again disqualifying it for ball lightning. You can't edit out of the account the things that don't fit your conclusion.
They were flying towards it, yes? The account you posted stated it was ahead of them and they were flying towards it.

If it was moving towards or away from them in a line, it would look like it was hovering. If it dissipated or faded out, it would have looked like it was moving fast or disappearing.

It could have been just outside their cockpit and given the illusion that it was far away.

There are lots of phenomena's concerning lightning and what occurs in the sky due to charged particles that scientists have barely been able to study due to the rarity of these events. For example, up until recently, sprites were not thought to be real, until a team of scientists went up in planes and actually managed to capture them on film.

Next time a big thunderstorm or supercell is nearby at night or has just passed over where you are and left clear sky in its wake, go outside and look at the top of the storm cloud when it is far enough away to allow you to do so. Sometimes you can see lightning go directly upwards and sometimes, on rare occasions, you might be lucky to see a red flash of a sprite. Easily mistaken for a UFO. But probably one of the coolest things to see. My kids still go on and on about the night we saw lightning go straight up in the sky after a particularly big storm went over us and we went outside to watch the lightning as it moved away from us. The system was a fair distance away, out to sea, when we saw the bolts going straight up.
 
Thousands of World War II pilots, flying at altitudes higher than ever before frequented by men, often reported being paced by a bright glowing object. On occasion, gunners opened fire, fearing they were being attacked by secret Axis air weapons.

That's just in the space of a few years during the war.. Nah, not often at all....

LOL! Those were known as "foo fighters" and were ufos reported regularly by both sides during the war. Had nothing to do with the planet Venus.

"The first sightings occurred in November 1944, when pilots flying over Western Europe by night reported seeing fast-moving round glowing objects following their aircraft. The objects were variously described as fiery, and glowing red, white, or orange. Some pilots described them as resembling Christmas-tree lights and reported that they seemed to toy with the aircraft, making wild turns before simply vanishing. Pilots and aircrew reported that the objects flew formation with their aircraft and behaved as if they were under intelligent control, but never displayed hostile behavior. However, they could not be outmaneuvered or shot down. The phenomenon was so widespread that the lights earned a name – in the European Theater of Operations they were often called "Kraut fireballs", but for the most part called "foo-fighters". The military took the sightings seriously, suspecting that the mysterious sightings might be secret German weapons, but further investigation revealed that German and Japanese pilots had reported similar sightings.[9]

On 13 December 1944, the Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force in Paris issued a press release, which was featured in the New York Times on the next day, officially describing the phenomenon as a "new German weapon". Follow-up stories, using the term "Foo Fighters", appeared in the New York Herald Tribune and the British Daily Telegraph.[10]

In its 15 January 1945 edition, Time magazine carried a story entitled "Foo-Fighter", in which it reported that the "balls of fire" had been following USAAF nightfighters for over a month, and that the pilots had named it the "foo-fighter". According to Time, descriptions of the phenomena varied, but the pilots agreed that the mysterious lights followed their aircraft closely at high speed.[11]

The "balls of fire" phenomenon reported from the Pacific Theater of Operations differed somewhat from the foo fighters reported from Europe; the "ball of fire" resembled a large burning sphere which "just hung in the sky", though it was reported to sometimes follow aircraft. On one occasion, the gunner of a B-29 aircraft hit one with gunfire, causing it to break up into several large pieces that fell on buildings below and set them on fire.[citation needed] There was speculation that the phenomena could be related to the Japanese fire balloon campaign. As with the European foo fighters, no aircraft were reported as having been attacked by a "ball of fire".[12]

The postwar Robertson Panel cited foo fighter reports, noting that their behavior did not appear to be threatening, and mentioned possible explanations, for instance that they were electrostatic phenomena similar to St. Elmo's fire, electromagnetic phenomena, or simply reflections of light from ice crystals. The Panel's report suggested that "If the term "flying saucers" had been popular in 1943–1945, these objects would have been so labeled."[2]----https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter
 
More nervous laughter from you. Justifiably so, too.

Those were known as "foo fighters" and were ufos reported regularly by both sides during the war. Had nothing to do with the planet Venus.
How do you know?

"The first sightings occurred in November 1944, when pilots flying over Western Europe by night reported seeing fast-moving round glowing objects following their aircraft. The objects were variously described as fiery, and glowing red, white, or orange. Some pilots described them as resembling Christmas-tree lights and reported that they seemed to toy with the aircraft, making wild turns before simply vanishing. Pilots and aircrew reported that the objects flew formation with their aircraft and behaved as if they were under intelligent control, but never displayed hostile behavior. However, they could not be outmaneuvered or shot down. The phenomenon was so widespread that the lights earned a name – in the European Theater of Operations they were often called "Kraut fireballs", but for the most part called "foo-fighters". The military took the sightings seriously, suspecting that the mysterious sightings might be secret German weapons, but further investigation revealed that German and Japanese pilots had reported similar sightings.[9]

On 13 December 1944, the Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force in Paris issued a press release, which was featured in the New York Times on the next day, officially describing the phenomenon as a "new German weapon". Follow-up stories, using the term "Foo Fighters", appeared in the New York Herald Tribune and the British Daily Telegraph.[10]

In its 15 January 1945 edition, Time magazine carried a story entitled "Foo-Fighter", in which it reported that the "balls of fire" had been following USAAF nightfighters for over a month, and that the pilots had named it the "foo-fighter". According to Time, descriptions of the phenomena varied, but the pilots agreed that the mysterious lights followed their aircraft closely at high speed.[11]
The descriptions above are consistent with mistaken sightings of planets, with Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn being the most likely candidates.

The "balls of fire" phenomenon reported from the Pacific Theater of Operations differed somewhat from the foo fighters reported from Europe; the "ball of fire" resembled a large burning sphere which "just hung in the sky", though it was reported to sometimes follow aircraft.
This is interesting, and I might suggest a possible explanation.

Western Europe is further from the equator than where most of the action was in the Pacific. Looking through more air at an angle from Western Europe could well result in a relative dimming and different perceived colour of the planets Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.

And, it goes without saying that Venus is, in a lot of ways, just like a very bright burning sphere that just hangs in the sky.

On one occasion, the gunner of a B-29 aircraft hit one with gunfire, causing it to break up into several large pieces that fell on buildings below and set them on fire.[citation needed]
Citation needed, indeed.

Chances are good that this is a report of something completely different than the majority of these reports, and it has just been lumped in with the others because it sounds similar. Then again, because this is just an anecdote with no traceable references, it can probably be safely ignored in any case.

There was speculation that the phenomena could be related to the Japanese fire balloon campaign. As with the European foo fighters, no aircraft were reported as having been attacked by a "ball of fire".[12]
It is very rare for Venus or Mars to attack an aeroplane.

The postwar Robertson Panel cited foo fighter reports, noting that their behavior did not appear to be threatening, and mentioned possible explanations, for instance that they were electrostatic phenomena similar to St. Elmo's fire, electromagnetic phenomena, or simply reflections of light from ice crystals. The Panel's report suggested that "If the term "flying saucers" had been popular in 1943–1945, these objects would have been so labeled."[2]----https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo_fighter
Correct. There are lots of possible explanations, mistaken planetary sightings being a likely one but not exclusive.
 
More nervous laughter from you. Justifiably so, too.


LOL! What's the matter James? Don't like laughter? Is it getting to you?

For the record and not to be repeated, these lights ascended from the ground, followed the planes till they caught up with them, moved around quickly and changed direction, avoided pursuit, often flew together in formations of 3 and 4, and soon disappeared at some point. That's definitely not Venus, Mars, or Jupiter by any stretch of the imagination. And definitely not St. Elmo's fire, which basically just radiates like a glow from metal objects.

And, it goes without saying that Venus is, in a lot of ways, just like a very bright burning sphere that just hangs in the sky.

No it doesn't. It looks nothing like a red fireball. It looks like a bright white star all over the world. Just like this:

venus-at-dawn.jpg
 
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"The UFO Phenomenon exists. It has been with us throughout history. It is physical in nature and it remains unexplained in terms of contemporary science. It represents a level of consciousness that we have not yet recognized, and which is able to manipulate dimensions beyond time and space as we understand them."---"Forbidden Science", by Jacques Vallee.

It is physical in nature

OK

unexplained in terms of contemporary science.

OK but you just explained it as physical in nature. If physical in nature is not in terms of use of contemporary science just what science does it come under? Ancient? Futuristic?

It represents a level of consciousness that we have not yet recognized

But but but you just recognised as a level??? Is it above consciousness? or below?

which is able to manipulate dimensions beyond time and space as we understand them

Also you seem to have a good grasp of the capabilities of this level of consciousness not yet recognized

Well done

:)
 
LOL! What's the matter James? Don't like laughter? Is it getting to you?
You have a nervous tic. Whenever you are unsure of your ground, you start your reply with "LOL". In poker, that would be called a "tell".

For the record and not to be repeated, these lights ascended from the ground, followed the planes till they caught up with them, moved around quickly and changed direction, avoided pursuit, often flew together in formations of 3 and 4, and soon disappeared at some point.
Where can I read some first-hand reports?

We'd need to look carefully at what the aircraft themselves were doing during these observations. Obviously, there are at least two ways an object in the sky can be caused to apparently move. One is that the object itself moves; the other is that the observer moves.

As for "formations", that is interesting and warrants further investigation.

You've posted a few photos. We the aircraft in the photos under fire from the ground or other aircraft at the time? Because those spots could perhaps be tracer rounds.

No it doesn't. It looks nothing like a red fireball. It looks like a bright white star all over the world.
You will observe that the Sun looks red at sunset and sunrise, despite the fact that it's a blinding yellow-white ball at midday. Compare and contrast.
 
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