Bells
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Because MR has been touting these UFO communities, that have become, as Vallee noted, like cults, who will essentially believe everything they are told or shown about UFO's. He criticised both skeptics and the scientific community and these cult like groups and believers.If context is everything, I guess that's why our moderators snipped what is now post #1 out of its context in a different thread and made it the stand-alone beginning of this one.
How does your longer excerpt contradict or undercut the shorter quote [highlighted by me] that MR posted in what is now post #1 in this thread?
MR quoted the shorter quote in response to others criticising what he was posting as evidence, that an unidentified light in the sky automatically signaled aliens.
The reality is that Vallee, even in his beliefs, discounts such claims and argued that "ufologists" push a certain agenda, targeted at the vulnerable and those who are easily led *cough* into believing anything they see. He criticises skeptics and the scientific community for failing to study credible witnesses to UFO's and argues that that refusal drives even reliable witnesses into the arms of the nutbags.
You don't say..Except that the debunkers rarely actually demonstrate that what was reported was actually a helicopter at a distance. They just speculate that it might have been, then leap to the conclusion that it has somehow been proven that it was.
I have often asked what leads people to go from bright light in the sky to something otherworldly.. And I never actually get a response that explains or articulates or demonstrates that reasoning.
Most people will look at everything that goes inbetween first. More rational explanations, like a helicopter, plane, drone, etc.. Yet, for some reason, that seeking of a rational explanation is deemed irrational for some, while they leap directly to something not of this planet or this time as being more rational.
Until further proof is forthcoming, I think most rational or thinking human beings would say it is a helicopter first.
Yes, because leaping to it being a helicopter or a plane, makes as little sense as leaping to it being an alien in an alien spacecraft.....That's not tremendously different than what the ufo believers seemingly do. Both sides are engaging in non-sequiturs and leaping to poorly justified conclusions. So it seems to me that what we are seeing is expressions of faith from both sides.
You should read his book.And that might indeed have been Jacques Vallee's point: If the whole argument devolves into competing expressions of faith, then it shouldn't be surprising to see ufo belief starting to look like a faith-based system.
James has already answered this brilliantly.The sad thing is that despite all their "scientific" posturing, the self-styled "skeptics" (nothing could be further from the truth) start to look like a faith-based system too. The "skeptical" organizations like CSICOP really do start to look like scientistic cults. They already know all the answers (by faith) and the only thing that remains to be done is to attack anyone who disagrees.