Black holes do not exist

Dicart said:
This is not a problem for me, i know that science is not the final and full comprehension of our world.
So, in such, if he dont agree with someone who say that science can explain the world, he is right.
But if he dont agree with someone who say that science is only a usefull way to act in this world, and deny some rational reasoning justified by facts, he is wrong.

Most of scientists and many non sientists who only repeat what they have heard from scientists, dont know what science is capable of.
They overestimate the capability of science.
This is because, today, most scientist never had interest in philosophy (and are not interrested in epistemology) and did directly science for all pratical purpose (they are some sort of engineers).
This is a new way to practice science (never seen 100 years ago).

This is why paradoxically, science is actually in competition with religion and this is why people find religious peoples praticing science, self contradicting or "originals"..
Science is now some new religion.
You are asked to believe in science, as if all would be a question of belief (not of faith but who know what could come next :rolleyes:)... and to choose between science and religion.
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I agree it is a false dichotomy. But many scientists are religious believers, even today.

However, none of this has anything to do with river. River has no coherent worldview, or not one he can express. River appears not to know how to think, at all, and seems unable to learn. As you will find out, in time, if you engage him.;)
 
Luchito:

Luchito said:
The formation of black holes wes based on an invalidated theory, and such is the beginning and the end of this discussion...
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Not quite. You haven't said which invalidated theory it was based on, yet.

Which theory are you referring to?
Of course is fake. Such is not a black hole, such claims are false, 100% false.
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So, there's no particular reason you think the black hole photo is a fake. You just have a general suspicion, based on nothing in particular?

Theoretical disproof? No my dear opponent, facts are the ones demonstrating black holes do not exist.
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Previously, you wrote "A scrutiny made on the base foundation of the theoretical background supporting the existence of a black hole can easily show its falseness."

Now you say you don't have a theoretical disproof after all. I guess you're withdrawing that claim, then?
Lets say the radiometric results showing that no seven "days" are possible for the universe to appear like it is today.
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You're a creationist, I take it. How old do you think the Earth is, and what makes you think it's that age?

Wow. And before such numerical calculation of yours, do you have any observable phenomenon which incited such a cheeky thought of yours? (When I say "yours" I'm talking of the whole people who believe in black holes)
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Of course there are observable phenomena. Far too many to even start making a list. Please try googling "evidence for black holes". Look at reputable sources of information from universities, research institutions and so on. There's a ton of evidence.

Before you start making silly claims, you should at least learn something about the subject you're trying to refute. Don't you think?
 
Luchito said:
I don't need you to teach me about it, what I'm doing is to make you see you are believing in a farce.

The contradictions in such a theory are enormous, gigantic, greater than the entire size of universe plus four more blocks further.
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Please give one example contradiction. You must have a lot of them. Enormous contradictions, you say. Hmm...

After you've done that, can you please also tell me why you think scientists tell these lies about black holes? Or don't they know about the gigantic contradictions? Is there a conspiracy?

I discovered black holes do not exist after reviewing the theory two decades ago.
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There you go again about the theory. Is it that there's an error in the theory, which makes black holes theoretically impossible, or just that you don't believe there's any factual evidence for them, or both?

If there's an error in the theory, what is it? Can you summarise, briefly?
 
James R
Of course there are observable phenomena. Far too many to even start making a list. Please try googling "evidence for black holes". Look at reputable sources of information from universities, research institutions and so on. There's a ton of evidence.
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Last post . I know there is , its in all the media . But what hasen't been explained by the media is alternetave theories as well . To the Same Observation .
 
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River has no coherent worldview, or not one he can express. River appears not to know how to think, at all, and seems unable to learn. As you will find out, in time, if you engage him.;)
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Dicart what are you going to do ? Literally what are you going to do ?
 
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river said:
From post#101 by exchemist



Dicart what are you going to do ? Literally what are you going to do ?
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Dicart

Ask exchemist for evidence . Or look through some of my threads and posts . On your own . And come to your own conclusion .
 
James R
Of course there are observable phenomena. Far too many to even start making a list. Please try googling "evidence for black holes". Look at reputable sources of information from universities, research institutions and so on. There's a ton of evidence.
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river said:
James R


Last post . I know there is , its in all the media . But what hasen't been explained by the media is alternetave theories as well . To the Same Observation .
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Dicart said:
I dont need to come to any conclusion.
In my opinion... the truth is elsewhere.
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One of my less than awful qualities is that I can prove that I personally CANNOT KNOW the exact answer to any serious and big question.

I can prove this by alluding to variables that have some sort of quantity and I prove that I AM IGNORANT of the specific number for whatever variation on quantity that that variable should be given.

Thus.. you would tend to think that I am being pedantic or hypocritical to begin a discussion with this title....

http://www.sciforums.com/threads/unified-field-theory-of-modern-world-problems.164127/

Unified Field Theory of Modern World Problems....


... but..... I rather like being somewhat aware of my own rather extreme level of ignorance!!!!
 
Dennis Tate said:
One of my less than awful qualities is that I can prove that I personally CANNOT KNOW the exact answer to any serious and big question.
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And do you know why you can not know ?
Looks like a silly question...

In fact, we can not know because the world is God's creation.
God (like the gift He offered us) has free will.
So, we can not do any prediction that God dont let us do.

If He want to change the world behavior, his content etc, tchack !, here it is and you dont even be aware of it unless He want you to be aware of it.
Tchack !, you have only one leg, and you dont even know that 1 second before He changed his mind, everybody had 2 legs...

Furthermore, God do not anything like we do, He uses Angels (and there are many many many...).
The angels are his "emmisary" making His Words become real.
So per example, God say "let be an earth" and tchack, this happens.
The details are left to the Angels (and the Angels know The Creator well so they can fullfill His Will).
Therefore, what we see is only one of the many possibilities God's Word can manifest, due to the variants because the Angels have "some sort of" free will too, that add but not diverge from God's Will
Like archers they "bend the reality" by any mean that God would agree, so as to hit the target designed by God.
 
Dicart said:
And do you know why you can not know ?
Looks like a silly question...

In fact, we can not know because the world is God's creation.
God (like the gift He offered us) has free will.
So, we can not do any prediction that God dont let us do.

If He want to change the world behavior, his content etc, tchack !, here it is and you dont even be aware of it unless He want you to be aware of it.
Tchack !, you have only one leg, and you dont even know that 1 second before He changed his mind, everybody had 2 legs...

Furthermore, God do not anything like we do, He uses Angels (and there are many many many...).
The angels are his "emmisary" making His Words become real.
So per example, God say "let be an earth" and tchack, this happens.
The details are left to the Angels (and the Angels know The Creator well so they can fullfill His Will).
Therefore, what we see is only one of the many possibilities God's Word can manifest, due to the variants because the Angels have "some sort of" free will too, that add but not diverge from God's Will
Like archers they "bend the reality" by any mean that God would agree, so as to hit the target designed by God.
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This has nothing to do with whether black-holes exist or not . Why the tangent of god ? Not all arrows are a Bulls Eye .
 
river said:
This has nothing to do with whether black-holes exist or not . Why the tangent of god ? Not all arrows are a Bulls Eye .
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It has to do that every black hole (the space-time flows from upper to lower) is the entry to a new Universe, an these Universes are in fact what we call Hell.
We, "on Earth" are at a very high level of "hell", and the next level (up) is Heaven (other inhabitants dont have the chance, but is it if you dont know this... to live in a world so peacefull like Earth).
Due to the expansion of space-time that occurs everywhere, the inside of every black hole is a fully constituted Universe.

Dywyddyr said:
Unevidenced claim.
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I agree, and this is how thing must be.

If the Biblical "god" exists (omniscient) there can be no free will.
The rest of your post is mere speculation with zero evidence.
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If God exists, omniscience and free will are not uncompatible.

You are right, knowing what you think would interfere with your free will (like with quantum mecanic where the interaction of the observation destroy the independant behavior of things), so is God invisible by purpose.
But as you have to pass from one world to another (so when you have died further more and be "judged" (so if you are part of the Book of Life or not)), God has access to your action and thinking and Jesus the Lamb to your Hearth.
If you live outside Heaven, so in hell, you are supposed to be dead.

So yes, God is omniscient, but for free will the knowledge is delayed by purpose.
WIkipedia said:
In Christianity and Judaism, the Book of Life (Hebrew: ספר החיים, transliterated Sefer HaChaim; Greek: βιβλίον τῆς ζωῆς Biblíon tēs Zōēs) is the book in which God records the names of every person who is destined for Heaven or the World to Come.[citation needed] According to the Talmud it is open on Rosh Hashanah, as is its analog for the wicked, the Book of the Dead. For this reason extra mention is made for the Book of Life during Amidah recitations during the Days of Awe, the ten days between Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish new year, and Yom Kippur, the day of atonement (the two High Holidays, particularly in the prayer Unetaneh Tokef).
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Dywyddyr said:
Unevidenced claim.

If the Biblical "god" exists (omniscient) there can be no free will.
The rest of your post is mere speculation with zero evidence.
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The original Creator has in a sense evolved and is the original Scientist / Inventor who got into Psychology once "others" had been invented!
The Creators venture into Psychology led to Theology!
 
Dennis Tate said:
The original Creator has in a sense evolved and is the original Scientist / Inventor who got into Psychology once "others" had been invented!
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Please provide evidence that there is/ was such a thing as an "original Creator".
And then provide evidence that he/ she/ it evolved etc.
 
Dicart said:
It has to do that every black hole (the space-time flows from upper to lower) is the entry to a new Universe
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Unsupported speculation.
an these Universes are in fact what we call Hell.
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Not even close to being a fact.
We, "on Earth" are at a very high level of "hell", and the next level (up) is Heaven (other inhabitants dont have the chance, but is it if you dont know this... to live in a world so peacefull like Earth).
Due to the expansion of space-time that occurs everywhere, the inside of every black hole is a fully constituted Universe.
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You're just making stuff up now, aren't you?
I agree, and this is how thing must be.
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Must? I disagree.
If God exists, omniscience and free will are not uncompatible.
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Wrong.
You are right, knowing what you think would interfere with your free will (like with quantum mecanic where the interaction of the observation destroy the independant behavior of things), so is God invisible by purpose.
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God's "invisibility" has nothing to do with it. If knowledge of the future exists then there is no choice.
So yes, God is omniscient, but for free will the knowledge is delayed by purpose.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Life
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That page doesn't support your claim.
 
Dywyddyr said:
That page doesn't support your claim.
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Perhaps you just dont understand the link to the claim.
Here, perhaps some explaination why (i have selected some verses form the 34) :

OpenBible said:
34 Bible Verses about Their Eyes Will Be Veiled
Isaiah 44:18
They know not, nor do they discern, for he has shut their eyes, so that they cannot see, and their hearts, so that they cannot understand.
2 Corinthians 4:4
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

2 Corinthians 3:12-18
Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. ...

1 Corinthians 2:14
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.

Proverbs 11:2
When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with the humble is wisdom.

1 John 3:10
By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother.

Exodus 34:35
The people of Israel would see the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face was shining. And Moses would put the veil over his face again, until he went in to speak with him.

Exodus 34:33
And when Moses had finished speaking with them, he put a veil over his face.

John 14:9
Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Luke 4:18
“The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
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https://www.openbible.info/topics/their_eyes_will_be_veiled
 
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