Doing the Numbers on No. 1

[river]

river said: ↑
To your last statement ; density is physical as are constituent parts , physical . Which interact to form patterns . Mathematics can not create a physical object . But is based on the physical .

Yes, I understand what you mean, but ask; what is it that causes the orderly self-organization of similar pattern in similar relational values? What is the ordering agency that creates self-similarity?
To just propose "it is all physical" does not explain the why the regularity if there is no mathematical agency.

The movements by the physical is based on physical properties , by physical objects , ordering themselves . That's The Cause , Of Any Pattern .

 

[Write4U]

The movements by the physical is based on physical properties , by physical objects , ordering themselves . That's The Cause , Of Any Pattern .

Yes, but what causes them to order themselves?

Relational values, no? Equations.

Input (value) --> Function (mathematical) --> Output (value)
That is the ordering agency.

 

[river]

river said: ↑
The movements by the physical is based on physical properties , by physical objects , ordering themselves . That's The Cause , Of Any Pattern .

Yes, but what causes them to order themselves?

Relational values, no? Equations.

Input (value) --> Function (mathematical) --> Output (value)
That is the ordering agency.

To your first statement ; read post#261 .

 

[Write4U]

To your first statement ; read post#261 .

Yes I can read it , but it doesn't tell me how. What are the mechanics. Affinity? Chirality? What is causing the ordering process . To say physics is not an explanation. There is a reason why the specific patterns keep forming.

 

[river]

river said: ↑
To your first statement ; read post#261 .

Yes I can read it , but it doesn't tell me how. What are the mechanics. Affinity? Chirality? What is causing the ordering process . To say physics is not an explanation. There is a reason why the specific patterns keep forming.

Periodic Table . ( constant form ) And Life .

 

[nebel]

Relational values, no? Equations.

imho, equations best describe the laws that this universe is endowed with. In this thread, The odd numbers associated with our planet, are the outworkings, tip of the icebergs so to speak, of these laws and energy levels.
the equations, like Kepler's second triangle area law equation (perhaps the first of such abstract concept) is our, human way to come to grasp with nature's workings.

 

[river]

imho, equations best describe the laws that this universe is endowed with. In this thread, The odd numbers associated with our planet, are the outworkings, tip of the icebergs so to speak, of these laws and energy levels.
the equations, like Kepler's second triangle area law equation (perhaps the first of such abstract concept) is our, human way to come to grasp with nature's workings.

Laws are about consistantcy .

Equations , are general equations , most of the time this happens . ( Exceptions , are what happens at other times ) . Could very well be nebel .

Equations ( what is Keplers's second triangle area law equation ? ) highlighted , Agreed .

Laws of Exception . Equations of exception . Could also enhance our understanding of Nature's Workings . I wonder what they would look like .

Combining both , consistantcy and exceptions will certainly make equations much more complex .

 

[nebel]

---exception . Could also enhance our understanding of Nature's Workings

well, as an example, the Bode sequence is not a "law", but it's exceptions, the Venus to Mercury emptiness , Neptune's non-doubling orbit spacing MAKE POSSIBLE INSIGHT INTO THE TRUE NATURE OF THE GEOMETRIC SERIES THAT Bode/Titius IS. and

The earth with 10 is the message here.

 

[river]

well, as an example, the Bode sequence is not a "law", but it's exceptions, the Venus to Mercury emptiness , Neptune's non-doubling orbit spacing MAKE POSSIBLE INSIGHT INTO THE TRUE NATURE OF THE GEOMETRIC SERIES THAT Bode/Titius IS. and

The earth with 10 is the message here.

Just get more data on what is in this space . Hence what is going that we can't see , but can detect . Given the access to the technology needed to detect . I assume this technology exists . There is no such thing as empty space .

 

[nebel]

Ten is how many fingers I have.

Numerology woo.

here is another ten from a "quora" answer to an earth science history question:
height of Everest ~ 9000 meters.
according to scripture covered with water after 40 days of rain. 9600 hours. give 7% for ground water soaking and evaporation,

10 meters of rain per hour in Noah's day. and you thought 10 cm is a lot. only on planet No.1

 

[Write4U]

10 meters of rain per hour in Noah's day. and you thought 10 cm is a lot. only on planet No.1

Where did all this rain come from in the first place?

The young Earth's mantle harboured two magma oceans which were layered like a pudding cake, scientists say. Reuters File Photo.
Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/content/368135/early-earth-harboured-lava-oceans.html

That much condensation may have been caused by lava floods in Noah's day. And you thought 120 F is hot.
Occurring on many planets.

 

[nebel]

Where did all this rain come from in the first place?

I had posted the biblical reference of 10 meter water per hour with tongue firmly in cheek, fit for the humour section. I see no more 10s pointed out by the linked lava oceans.
Scripture does mention raining fire though. my ten cents worth.

 

[Write4U]

I had posted the biblical reference of 10 meter water per hour with tongue firmly in cheek, fit for the humour section. I see no more 10s pointed out by the linked lava oceans.
Scripture does mention raining fire though. my ten cents worth.

LOL, ok.

As far as the abundance of water appearing on earth, it is suspected that Theia was responsible for most of it.

Formation of the moon brought water to Earth
New research explains how Earth became a habitable planet
Date: May 21, 2019
Source: University of Münster

Summary: Earth has a large amount of water and a relatively large moon, which stabilizes Earth's axis. Both are essential for life to develop on our planet. Scientists have now been able to show that water came to Earth with the formation of the moon.

Planetologists at the University of Münster (Germany) have now been able to show, for the first time, that water came to Earth with the formation of the Moon some 4.4 billion years ago. The Moon was formed when Earth was hit by a body about the size of Mars, also called Theia.

Until now, scientists had assumed that Theia originated in the inner solar system near the Earth. However, researchers from Münster can now show that Theia comes from the outer solar system, and it delivered large quantities of water to Earth. The results are published in the current issue of Nature Astronomy.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/05/190521101505.htm

 

[nebel]

interesting details, and:
"Harvard University in the US, found that fully 35% appear to contain up to half their mass as water.Aug 28, 2018" from Wiki

to maintain the OP proposition:
10 in the Bode sequence. aka 1 AU
10 digits, toes.
10 m /sec^&2 surface gravity.
10 meter H2O atmospheric surface pressure.
10 meter H2O per hour flooding "recorded"
10 decim/sec pendulum frequency.
1000 light second orbit diameter.
1/10 000 of c orbital velocity. 30/ 300 000.
1/100 natural ratio between Earth Vr and Moon rotation velocity
Golden ratios in orbits : Mercury (4) to Earth, 6/10; G.R. from Earth to Mars,

you have more No.s?

 

[Write4U]

just to reestablish the OP proposition:

10 in the Bode sequence. aka 1 AU
10 digits, toes.
10 m /sec^&2 surface gravity.
10 meter H2O atmospheric surface pressure.
10 meter H2O per hour flooding "recorded"
10 decim/sec pendulum frequency.
1000 light second orbit diameter.
1/10 000 of c orbital velocity. 30/ 300 000.
1/100 natural ratio between Earth Vr and Moon rotation velocity

Golden ratios in orbits : Mercury (4) to Earth, 6/10; G.R. from Earth to Mars,

You do realize that those are all human symbols, based on the decimal system which is based on the human 10 digits, fingers , toes.

You can just as well use the binary system to find equivalent magnitudes in almost all natural values and functions.
Roger Antonsen has an entertaining lecture on the use of mathematics in varied settings.

 

[James R]

Atoms are patterns...

The same basic mistake, over and over. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Write4U]

The same basic mistake, over and over. Rinse and repeat.

A pattern is a regularity.

What is the observable difference between the elements of the Table?

Their count and arrangement of electrons , protons , and neutrons around the nuclei, no? IOW their individual patterns.

An atom is a collection of elementary particles arranged in a specific pattern that gives each different atom it's inherent potentials, no?

If not, when is an atom not a pattern?

Where is the mistake? Do you care to explain your curious disapproval?

Molecules are atoms arranged in specific patterns, no?
How do crystals grow in specific patterns
How do snowflakes form specific patterns.

Why are snowflakes symmetrical? How can ice crystallizing on one arm 'know' the shape of the other arms on the flake?

Snowflakes are symmetrical because they reflect the internal order of the water molecules as they arrange themselves in the solid state (the process of crystallization). Water molecules in the solid state, such as in ice and snow, form weak bonds (called hydrogen bonds) to one another.

These ordered arrangements result in the basic symmetrical, hexagonal shape of the snowflake. In reality, there are many different types of snowflakes (as in the clich that 'no two snowflakes are alike'); this differentiation occurs because each snowflake is a separate crystal that is subject to the specific atmospheric conditions, notably temperature and humidity, under which it is formed.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-are-snowflakes-symmet/

There is nothing in the universe that is not a pattern. Even chaos has a chaotic pattern.

 

[sideshowbob]

There is nothing in the universe that is not a pattern.

That seems like an unwarranted assumption.

 

[DaveC426913]

A pattern is a regularity.
There is nothing in the universe that is not a pattern. Even chaos has a chaotic pattern.

It is humans that perceive patterns by preferentially selecting what is included and what is not.

There is a pile of stuff on the beach that includes silicon sand, seaweed, two crushed shells, a large piece of driftwood, some oxygen, nitrogen and a whiff of methane.

A human may decide that the sand forms a pattern, but in doing so, excludes everything else that does not fit their idea of the pattern.

In reality, the totality of the sample described is repeated nowhere else in the universe - it is unique - thus is not a regularity. And thus, by definition, not a pattern.

The universe does not distinguish between what is important and what is not - those are human judgements.

 

[Write4U]

That seems like an unwarranted assumption.

Ok, can you show me an example of something that is not identifiable as a pattern? I have looked and cannot find one.

To avoid confusion, I use the term pattern in its most generic form and definition.

Patterns in nature

Patterns in nature are visible regularities of form found in the natural world. These patterns recur in different contexts and can sometimes be modelled mathematically. Natural patterns include symmetries, trees,
spirals, meanders, waves, foams, tessellations, cracks and stripes.[1]

Early Greek philosophers
studied pattern, with Plato, Pythagoras and Empedocles attempting to explain order in nature. The modern understanding of visible patterns developed gradually over time.

In the 19th century, the Belgian physicist Joseph Plateau examined soap films, leading him to formulate the concept of a minimal surface.

The German biologist and artist Ernst Haeckel painted hundreds of marine organisms to emphasize their symmetry.

Scottish biologist D'Arcy Thompson pioneered the study of growth patterns in both plants and animals, showing that simple equations could explain spiral growth.

In the 20th century, the British mathematician Alan Turing predicted mechanisms of morphogenesis which give rise to patterns of spots and stripes.

The Hungarian biologist Aristid Lindenmayer and the French American mathematician Benoît Mandelbrot showed how the mathematics of fractals could create plant growth patterns.

Mathematics, physics and chemistry can explain patterns in nature at different levels and scales. Patterns in living things are explained by the biological processes of natural selection and sexual selection. Studies of pattern formation make use of computer models to simulate a wide range of patterns.

......more
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterns_in_nature

It seems to me a well supported assumption.