Eugene Shubert
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Just because you're not interested in eyewitness testimonies doesn't mean that no one else would be interested.
There IS No New World Order
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Eugene Shubert
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It’s astounding that an oxygen-starved fire could cause a 200,000 ton steel structure to collapse in free fall.
Look at how extremely interconnected and redundant this massive steel structure actually is:
[video=youtube;MY7BCXew0UI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY7BCXew0UI[/video]
Look at how extremely interconnected and redundant this massive steel structure actually is:
[video=youtube;MY7BCXew0UI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY7BCXew0UI[/video]
There are fires that burn without O[sub]2[/sub]?
Yeah. AND look just how much of it did NOT turn to powder!
Why would the fires be oxygen starved? There was a 767-sized hole in one side of the building..more holes in the other side, and virtually all of the windows were blown out by the fireball. What was preventing the fires from getting oxygen? I don't expect an answer because your just parroting Gage.
Hmm...these fires look like they are burning pretty good to me
Hmm...these fires look like they are burning pretty good to me
Eugene Shubert
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Compare that fire to the more extensive fires in steel-framed buildings as revealed in the documentary.
I expect architects and structural engineers that actually design steel framed buildings to know a little about fire science. And there is an impressive number of experts in the documentary that all say the same thing. Thick black smoke limits the amount of available oxygen and indicates that these fires burned at lower temperatures, not hot enough to melt steel.
By all appearances, you don't respect the testimonies of a large number of accomplished experts and you don't respect the families of the victims. All that 9/11 Truthers want is an independent investigation into a huge number of unanswered questions, such as the fantastic number of eyewitness testimonies of powerful explosions in the basement and throughout the building and the presence of nano-thermite residue in Twin Tower dust.
Eugene Shubert
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I’m still waiting for someone to refute the testimony of the Five Dancing Israelis.
[video=youtube;rStJ5BgadPs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStJ5BgadPs[/video]
Why the silence about the alleged power-downs in the Twin Towers just before 9/11?
[video=youtube;PZKS73tNVL8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZKS73tNVL8[/video]
[video=youtube;rStJ5BgadPs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStJ5BgadPs[/video]
Why the silence about the alleged power-downs in the Twin Towers just before 9/11?
[video=youtube;PZKS73tNVL8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZKS73tNVL8[/video]
Eugene Shubert
Valued Senior Member
That's because you're content with a snapshot of maximum heat intensity. The videos in my collection of documentaries indicate that the fires were well contained to a select number of floors and were rapidly burning out.Hmm...these fires look like they are burning pretty good to me
What is the governing law of nature that diminishes the amount of available O[sub]2[/sub]?
Define independent. Independent of what?
What was the chemical found, who claimed to find it, and by what criteria would the people who claimed to have found it be deemed independent?
Eugene Shubert
Valued Senior Member
I’m not a fire marshal; I strongly advise you to do your own research but I’m fairly confident that fires don’t burn well when the air is saturated with thick black smoke.
An independent body wouldn’t have notorious psychopaths on its panel such as Henry Kissinger who deserves prosecution for war crimes, for crimes against humanity, and for offenses against common or customary or international law, including conspiracy to commit murder, kidnap, and torture.
Kissinger was chosen to head the 9/11 Commission. No objectivity or independence there at all.
Professor Steven E. Jones from BYU was the first to discover nano-thermite residue in Twin Tower dust. This was confirmed by Dr. Niels Harrit (retired associate professor of chemistry) and his team at the University of Copenhagen. This claim was verified in a peer-reviewed paper published in The Open Chemical Physics Journal. Indisputably, red/grey particles of non-reacted nanothermite was found in the dust of the WTC buildings! This finding is irrevocable proof -- the veritable DNA -- that "Office Fires" and jet planes did not bring down the three buildings on that fateful day.
Here is Dr. Niels Harrit talking about the chemistry of nano-thermite:
[video=youtube;SC3Se86IBAw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC3Se86IBAw[/video]
At this point I don't need to do any research. I'm looking for the rationale you were using to conclude that smoke robs the air of O[sub]2[/sub]. It was your assertion; I was looking for your grounds for making it.
Henry Kissinger was making technical inferences such as you just made, that smoke robs air of O[sub]2[/sub], or that there was no (name the compound that indicates explosives were used) chemical found in the dust, or any of the thousands of technical determinations that had to be done by specialists? And what of them? Were they all gagged and bound and forced to sign findings that they knew were false? How does conspiracy actually work anyway? I mean, outside of the Mafia -- where, say, the extent of their knowledge of a subject like chemistry may only touch on cooking dope? Or do you think that all of the scientists involved were his minions, perhaps Manchurian Candidates of some kind?
Was it a commission or a dictatorship? And what about the scientists and engineers? Were they being extorted, were they complicit, or were they robots? To propound a theory you have to have a theory. What is it, and how does it work?
Is there any authoritative document identifying the chemical that was found, which is alleged to be thermite? Is there any official document that states that the same chemical was not found? In other words, what is this based on? Is there any competent evidence at all -- or is this purely anecdotal?
LOL...the editor in chief of that journal resigned over the paper:
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/04/bentham-editor-resigns-over-steven.html
Here's the chips he's talking about:
Gee...what else was that color?
Only all of the steel...it's paint...the paint they rust-protected the steel with.
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/04/bentham-editor-resigns-over-steven.html
Here's the chips he's talking about:
Gee...what else was that color?
Only all of the steel...it's paint...the paint they rust-protected the steel with.
" but Marie-Paule Pileni points out that because the topic lies outside her field of expertise, she cannot judge whether the article in itself is good or bad.
Nevertheless, the publication gets her to give the Open Chemical Physics Journal failing grades. "
" for it is a purely personnel related thing she his angry about. "
Nevertheless, the publication gets her to give the Open Chemical Physics Journal failing grades. "
" for it is a purely personnel related thing she his angry about. "
LOL...the editor in chief of that journal resigned over the paper:
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/04/bentham-editor-resigns-over-steven.html
Here's the chips he's talking about:
Gee...what else was that color?
Only all of the steel...it's paint...the paint they rust-protected the steel with.
i used to weld skyscraper and buildings in vegas,
i know something about what you reference,
also basic physics will show you
that what you are referring to is frivolous, paint and the epoxy would be burned up.
and the two images you reference(c),(d) are no where near painted steel.
Eugene Shubert
Valued Senior Member
MacGyver1968 is claiming that a team consisting of established long-time professors of physics and chemistry are incapable of simple chemical analysis. That’s just another outrageous conspiracy theory. The issue is: where are the scientific rebuttals?
can i ask why this subject?
for me 911 is so annoying.
everything has already been said about it.
even if the conspiracy is true,
it will never accomplish anything.
that's why this subject is a vicious cycle.
in a sense,
it's pointless to have a discussion on it, well IMO anyways.
for me 911 is so annoying.
everything has already been said about it.
even if the conspiracy is true,
it will never accomplish anything.
that's why this subject is a vicious cycle.
in a sense,
it's pointless to have a discussion on it, well IMO anyways.
Eugene Shubert
Valued Senior Member
I think his boredom comes from being persuaded that he already knows everything and imagining that scientists can't distinguish between nanothermite and red paint.