World's Politics or USA Politics?

Discussion in 'Site Feedback' started by kira, Oct 19, 2009.

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Which is it?

  1. Yes, majority of sciforums members are Americans, but they are not self absorbed

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  2. Yes, majority of sciforums members are Americans, and yes they are self absorbed

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  3. No, majority of sciforums members are not Americans

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  1. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Hmm, and which part of YOUR statement
    means "country"?
    "All around" is pretty catch-all isn't it?
    Regardless, that STILL leaves the US in third place...

    Your original post had "ideas" as a tacked-on addendum.
    Any figures on that or still going with personal opinion?

    Ah, of course!
    English is an American invention. Silly me.

    :roflmao:
    Riiight.

    I see, so when you wrote exports you didn't mean EXPORTS.
    Got it.

    Still no figures?
    Still supposition?
     
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  3. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    I've explained my statement adequately and accurately and have validated it with correct reasoning.

    If you're prepared to offer a counter-thesis explaining who is more important and influential than the USA and why, then go ahead and do so. If you can't do that, then it means that you actually don't think anyone is more important or influential than the USA and you're trying to play an "I gotcha" game.

    That means it's time to grow up.

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  5. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, personal observation.
    Always trumps hard figures.

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    I see you don't actually think either.
    I've already used the word "bull" to indicate that I do NOT consider the USA to be more important or influential.
    Not stating a personal opinion does not mean I agree with you.
    I used figures to disprove part of your ridiculous statement, and you've so far failed to give anything other than opinion.

    Quite.
    I'll still be here little boy.
     
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  7. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    In this situation it does. The best example is your statement that Germany is a bigger exporter of goods than the USA. To someone from another planet, that "hard figure" leads you to believe Germany is somehow more influential than the USA.

    Everyone knows it isn't, though. This is clear-cut example of a situation when statistics simply don't cut it. People everywhere in the world know who Barack Obama is. Probably most people don't know or care who Germany's leader is. The same holds true for most every other country. That's your first clue that the USA is more influential than anyone else. The world is immersed in our politics, instead of the opposite.

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    No argument here, so tell me when you do grow up. Til then, see ya on the flipside.
     
  8. Cowboy My Aim Is True Valued Senior Member

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    To be honest, I think it could be too much work. It can also lead to confusion. For example, if a news story involves a dispute between America and Russia, which forum would it go in? I think it makes more sense to have all the news in one forum (to be honest, I even think the Politics and World Events forums should be merged).

    I don't think the extra moderators are necessary, either. We have to remember that the moderators are here to make sure people follow the rules, not to ensure that certain topics are discussed or that all nations get equal time in the debates. It would make more sense to me to just get a bunch of people together who have interests in the affairs of other nations to find and post articles for discussion. I'd even help with that, although I don't speak any languages other than English and bad French.
     
  9. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    I see, and you talk bollocks as well.
    Exports may be PART of the overall situation, granted.
    You made a flat statement that the USA is the biggest exporter.
    Wrong.

    Specious bullshit.
    I had no idea WHO the guy was until I saw his name repeated several times here.
    Should any Germans decide to talk about their politics on this forum then I'd learn who was in charge there.
    "everywhere in the world"? More USA-centrism.

    Again the centric view.
    I couldn't give a toss who's in charge of the USA.
    Why should we care?
    And neither could the vast majority of people I know.

    And you've STILL failed to back up any of your other contentions...
     
  10. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    Nay, it's correct. Goods and ideas together, the USA is definitely the biggest exporter. That's why our movies gross so much more abroad than they do at home. That's why the golden arches of McDonalds are almost symbolic of "America" in other countries. That's why all these multi-national corporations that once originated here are now having a hand in creating and enforcing a "3rd world" in many asian foreign hellholes abroad. That's why they watch our translated movies, listen to our translated music, and watch their spin-off versions of American television shows -- and they do, in great number. That's why they follow after our style of dress, both professionally and casually. Meanwhile, we import much less of that than they do of us.

    We are the biggest globalizing force in the world, for better or worse. That is why most people on this supposedly international website are either (1) American or (2) somewhat fixated on America either in a positive or negative way.

    I'm not sure as I believe that.

    Not sure as I believe that either.
     
  11. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    But you can't give any figures...

    Yeah right.
    Try saying that in Paris...

    Or maybe because Americans seem to have more many than most (disposable income) and therefore are more likely to own a PC.

    So what?
    You beliefs don't alter facts.
    Why the hell should I know who Obama is?

    Exactly.
    You're American therefore America IS the world to you and can't comprehend non-Americans not thinking the same.
     
  12. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    You're showing limited thinking again, dwydder. You need to go back to my example of hard figures meaning very little.

    That's another good point. We're also more easily able to connect to others abroad -- through the internet. Thank you for that.

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    Well, why do you know? The answer: because he's one the most powerful people in the world, if not the most powerful. He's the president of the USA, the head of the strongest military and the largest economy in the world. How could anyone who keeps up in foreign politics not know who he is? People everywhere know who Obama is. You can say that about maybe two other countries.

    They do think the same, though. You not seeing it doesn't change that.
     
  13. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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  14. superstring01 Moderator

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    Is there actually a debate about the influence of the USA?

    The US is the most powerful single nation on Earth as demonstrated by being:
    1. The largest importer
    2. The most powerful military
    3. The largest creditor
    4. The largest economy
    5. Largest agrarian exporter
    6. The largest industrial engine
    7. Largest "invention" engine
    8. The largest cultural exporter in music, movies, TV series (you don't see Bollywood films or French films the same way you see Hollywood films / TV series exported around the world) including cultural icons like: McDonalds, CocaCola
    9. The home of and lead benefactor of the UN
    10. The home of and lead benefactor of the World Bank

    Other important factors include:
    1. Veto on the UN security council
    2. Strong alliances with the EU, Japan, Canada, Brazil and Saudi Arabia
    3. Large nuclear stockpile
    While there is a debate as to the stability and morality of these facts, as well as a debate about how much longer this will endure, the fact remains that at this time the USA is the dominant cultural, industrial and political power on earth.

    ~String
     
  15. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently he or she seems to believe that the USA is not more influential than all other countries. He also seems unwilling to put forth a counterargument to this; that being, if he disagrees, what country then is more influential...?

    He won't say. I wonder why that is.

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  16. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    On the other hand he or she provided actual figures which wrecked your specious personal observations...
    I wonder why that is?

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    And String actually managed to qualify his remarks: most powerful. Yes.
    That's numerically verifiable as opposed to the "personal observation" bollocks you provide.

    For example American "fashion".
    Oh right, where would rather have a suit from? The USA or Italy (or maybe a Savile Row tailor)?
    US fashion my arse....
     
  17. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    Your figures didn't wreck observations. They were contraindicated by my very real and very verifiable observations, however. As for fashion: blue jeans.

    Now that that is out of the way: just so we're on the same page, do you dispute that America is the most influential country in the world..? If so, what country is more influential..?

    Are you unwilling to say?
     
  18. kira Valued Senior Member

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    McDonalds is everywhere, so what? It is junk food, after all. People buy that because it's cheap. Most popular car in the world is Honda; most popular fashion brand in the world is Versace; best beer, wine, and cheese in the world are produced in Europe; etc etc.

    Perhaps your country is influential because it doesn't stop to have war with other countries, so that it constantly get headlines. Everyone get to pay attention and be alert all the time. When your banking system like Lehman Brothers got bankcrupt, most part of the world goes into financial crisis. Yes, very influential, indeed.
     
  19. superstring01 Moderator

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    No doubt there are "quality" issues to discuss. BUt the fact is, McDonalds, Burger King, KFC and a host of other American stuff is all over the world. CocaCola is the world's leading, and most recognized, brand label. That it is unhealthy is inconsequential (and the subject of another debate).

    We never said it was right, were bragging about it, or attempting to posit it as a morally good thing. A fact, even a bad one, is still a fact, Kira.

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  20. kira Valued Senior Member

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    Okay, so it doesn't matter for you whether it is giving influence in good or bad or even destructive things, as long as it is influential.

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    Your military is great because you allocate hugh part of your country budget for it instead of for good health care as compared to many EU nations. Perhaps other country's military, say, China, aren't that great because they don't feel the need to be the world's police? Your national debt clock is also outstanding. Then someone here is even mentioning petty matter such as eyelid surgery of some freak Chinese to justify that your beauty is the universal standard. Funny, that.
     
  21. kira Valued Senior Member

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    And by the way, yes the other guy (WillNever) indeed bragging about it before you step in, implying that the rest of the world is insignificant. And I did not deny any fact. What I said is that some of your facts are bad.
     
  22. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    You need some help separating good/bad judgements from fact. McDonald's being junk food doesn't stop it from being immensely popular on a scale so far above and beyond any foreign company can compete with.
    Yes, that is influence.
     
  23. WillNever Valued Senior Member

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    Actually, China has the largest standing army in the world. I repeat: China has more people in their military than other country in the world. Maybe they are a bunch of war mongers. Or, maybe they're hoping another country will decisively help to alleviate their overpopulation problem in a war, by mowing the little freaks down by the thousands.

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    And yes that eyelid surgery is definitely growing in popularity. It's already quite popular among Asian-Americans.
     

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