Enmos
Valued Senior Member
Did you happen to notice in what thread you are posting ?
Calling people names in this thread is asking to be reported
Zero Tolerance Week
- Thread starter James R
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Did you happen to notice in what thread you are posting ?
Calling people names in this thread is asking to be reported
i seriously doubt if there will ever be any rules set in stone.
there is only one that i can think of and that is making posts on how or where to get cracked software.
these types of posts will ALWAYS be deleted.
Mrs.Lucysnow
Valued Senior Member
Sam. James referring to your 'agenda' , even if employing a facetious or sarcastic undertone, is not baiting nor flaming unless you have an incredible lack of tolerance for negative insinuations, in which case you would feel attacked under the most innocent of circumstances.
And though I personaly couldn't find a reason for your thread to be closed, its a gross exaggeration to call this:
'You already think Israel is fascist anyway, and this is just another excuse to push your favorite agenda. It's unlikely to lead to any meaningful discussion - just another series of rants from the hard-liners, pro- or anti-Israel. You'll probably stir up Buffalo Roam and spidergoat, but that's about it.What did you want to achieve with this thread?
Unproductive bullshit like this deserves its place in the cesspool.'
A personal attack. To highlight either instances doesn't help your cause at all
And though I personaly couldn't find a reason for your thread to be closed, its a gross exaggeration to call this:
'You already think Israel is fascist anyway, and this is just another excuse to push your favorite agenda. It's unlikely to lead to any meaningful discussion - just another series of rants from the hard-liners, pro- or anti-Israel. You'll probably stir up Buffalo Roam and spidergoat, but that's about it.What did you want to achieve with this thread?
Unproductive bullshit like this deserves its place in the cesspool.'
A personal attack. To highlight either instances doesn't help your cause at all
Lucy:
You're entitled to your opinion. When a perfectly good discussion is closed down because of what is perceived as my personal agenda, I consider it a personal attack. It's not the issue that's being addressed, it's me personally who is being targeted for holding an unpopular (to James) point of view. That's personal.
As for the agenda: well James appears to have an agenda of his own here, if the selection of "inflammatory" and "unproductive" is any indicator.
You're entitled to your opinion. When a perfectly good discussion is closed down because of what is perceived as my personal agenda, I consider it a personal attack. It's not the issue that's being addressed, it's me personally who is being targeted for holding an unpopular (to James) point of view. That's personal.
As for the agenda: well James appears to have an agenda of his own here, if the selection of "inflammatory" and "unproductive" is any indicator.
She is entitled to her opinion? Because she agrees with you.
Mrs.Lucysnow
Valued Senior Member
Well that's the thing I'm not sure Sam if it is personal. Many threads are closed for whatever reason they deem fit. Why didn't you ask if you could have changed the title of the thread as an alternative to closing it? If closing a thread is a 'personal attack' then every thread closed is a personal attack against someone.
i believe lucysnow was wondering whether sciforums could ever have strict, fast rules.
i pointed out that i have only encountered one strict fast rule, the one i mentioned.
was there something i missed?
How many threads have you seen closed because the title said something negative about the "religion, ethnic group or nation"?
SAM:
This is typical behaviour from you, SAM. When asked to clarify or explain yourself, you back off and disappear.
Regarding what? Be specific.
You posted a thread attacking an entire nation for being "a fascist state". Your intent was clearly to start a flame war. Of course your thread was closed. What did you expect?
What? You think I'm pro-Israel, do you? No, SAM. I've quite clearly expressed my views on Israel-Palestine many times in the past. I hate the violence, and I think the greatest barrier to peace is exactly the kind of one-sided intolerance you continually post - from both sides, by the way.
And the "Muslims lie" thread was closed some time ago.
And I have just warned Buffalo Roam about his most recent spate of anti-Muslim posts.
But don't let anything stop you thinking you're being persecuted by me.
This is typical behaviour from you, SAM. When asked to clarify or explain yourself, you back off and disappear.
Regarding what? Be specific.
You posted a thread attacking an entire nation for being "a fascist state". Your intent was clearly to start a flame war. Of course your thread was closed. What did you expect?
What? You think I'm pro-Israel, do you? No, SAM. I've quite clearly expressed my views on Israel-Palestine many times in the past. I hate the violence, and I think the greatest barrier to peace is exactly the kind of one-sided intolerance you continually post - from both sides, by the way.
And the "Muslims lie" thread was closed some time ago.
And I have just warned Buffalo Roam about his most recent spate of anti-Muslim posts.
But don't let anything stop you thinking you're being persecuted by me.
??? Israel goes fascist. They elected a Prime Minister who does not believe in the Palestinian state and now have a foreign minister who calls for the execution of Palestinians who will not swear fealty to their occupiers and promotes the occupation of Palestinian land to settle with Jews. This is a state with a right of return only for Jews that is occupying over 3 million people it is willing to starve because they are not Jews [if they were Jews they would get automatic citizenship like any Levy, Cohen or Rosenberg in the whole wide world]. Representatives are elected by the people.
If you don't think that is fascism, you are pro-Israel. If you close a thread because you personally disagree with anyone having an opinion on the fascism of Israel, you are biased. Especially when the discussion was progressing clearly without anyone getting inflamed, except for you.
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SAM:
The thread was closed because it was deliberately intended to inflame. This is trolling behaviour.
It is quite possible that, had you framed your thread in a less inflammatory way, some kind of useful discussion might have been possible.
And so ... what? We all sit around and scratch our chins and say "Oh, how terrible". Or do we deny that Israel has a right to exist? Or what?
It was set up as a Jewish state.
Multiple problems here. First, the people in Israel are not a monolithic entity. Second, while it is conceivable that some elements wish Palestinians to starve, many others have no such wish. Third, some would argue that this has nothing to do with Jews vs. Muslims or whatever, but more to do with terrorism and the like.
True. I often think that the Israeli people get the leaders they deserve. I also think that is unfortunate.
Well, no. This kind of radicalisation is a major part of the problem. If any real progress is to be made, people have to start looking at things objectively, rather than taking sides. People must be willing to compromise, rather than call for the elimination of the "other" side. And so on. It's what being moderate means.
Correct. But that was not why the thread was closed.
This is a double standard. In one breath you complain about how the "All Muslims lie" thread was allowed to continue until the flame wars got too heated, while in the next you advocate leaving your inflammatory thread open when you know it would have equally descended into flame wars.
At least try for some consistency in your arguments, SAM.
The thread was closed because it was deliberately intended to inflame. This is trolling behaviour.
It is quite possible that, had you framed your thread in a less inflammatory way, some kind of useful discussion might have been possible.
And so ... what? We all sit around and scratch our chins and say "Oh, how terrible". Or do we deny that Israel has a right to exist? Or what?
It was set up as a Jewish state.
Multiple problems here. First, the people in Israel are not a monolithic entity. Second, while it is conceivable that some elements wish Palestinians to starve, many others have no such wish. Third, some would argue that this has nothing to do with Jews vs. Muslims or whatever, but more to do with terrorism and the like.
True. I often think that the Israeli people get the leaders they deserve. I also think that is unfortunate.
Well, no. This kind of radicalisation is a major part of the problem. If any real progress is to be made, people have to start looking at things objectively, rather than taking sides. People must be willing to compromise, rather than call for the elimination of the "other" side. And so on. It's what being moderate means.
Correct. But that was not why the thread was closed.
This is a double standard. In one breath you complain about how the "All Muslims lie" thread was allowed to continue until the flame wars got too heated, while in the next you advocate leaving your inflammatory thread open when you know it would have equally descended into flame wars.
At least try for some consistency in your arguments, SAM.
SAM
I nipped it in the bud. You know how it would have gone. It's a good thing I got to it early.
Oh, I thought you posted your political views because you wanted a response. But I guess you were just grandstanding again. My mistake.
I agree.
SAM said:
I nipped it in the bud. You know how it would have gone. It's a good thing I got to it early.
Oh, I thought you posted your political views because you wanted a response. But I guess you were just grandstanding again. My mistake.
I agree.
You nipped nothing in the bud. You disrupted a perfectly civil discussion on the rightward shift in Israeli politics because you personally disagree with my position on it.
There is no validity to nipping discussions which have not yet become flamefests. You have no credibility for attempting to claim you have done so since you cannot predict what the discussion might have been.
You cannot lock a discussion because of what it may become only because of what it is.
With 8 years of experience on sciforums, I think I'm reasonably good at predicting what the discussion might have been.
That's a wish, not a fact. Sorry if you don't like it, SAM.
I disagree. I reiterate that moderation should address what is, not what might be. We are a science forum, not fantasy forums.
Also perhaps in light of your extensive experience, could you explain why you did not "nip in the bud" the Muslims lie thread?
I have yet to receive any clarification on that inspite of bringing up the issue several times.
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Are you a man or what are you?
True.
I think Zero Tolerance Week is actually being quite a bit of a good learning experience. Although it upsets me when I can not find posts to report other than my own should be lol.