Do we have freewill ? is it biblical ?

Discussion in 'Religion' started by zacariah88, Feb 22, 2023.

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Do you believe you have freewill

  1. yes

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  2. no

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Ran across this excellent article describing plant "awareness" and ability to "solve existential problems".

    The secret life of plants: how they memorise, communicate, problem solve and socialise
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    Flower power ... Mancuso’s team has shown that Mimosa pudica can retain learned information for weeks. Photograph: Alamy
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    more .... https://www.theguardian.com/environ...able-cousins-more-intelligent-than-we-realise
     
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  3. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Totally forgot I found this sign:

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  5. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    So science proposes that consciousness exists?

    I don't think fractals are as complex as DNA. Science can't answer what started life. Evolution is fair enough, it is observable(micro), but it has nothing to do with the formation of DNA. How do fractals argue against design when they could be designed.

    a) God is outside spacetime, it had to be to create the universe from outside of the universe.
    b) God can intervene anytime, just look at the flood in the bible(Genesis). If this is the God you are referring to? An example of how God works. Genesis 6:6-7. He regrets.
    c) Because it knows the past, all knowing.
    d) Your example is one I've not heard before, it's usually "Why do people suffer"; it's like cosmic morals. All I can say is, if the God of the bible exists, then God has reasons. No such thing as an accident.
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, but is is not a neural function. It is a moment of systemic cognition. Science calls it the collapse of the wave function.
    Indeed, fractals are fundamental self-organizing repetitive patterns, with emergent exponential complexity.
    Yes it can and does.
    Abiogenesis is the process.
    DNA is a simple fractal object with inherent complex biological growth instructions by equations utilizing just 4 different relational values that form the biochemical growth blueprint of the organism.

    What is DNA?

    https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/understanding/basics/dna/#

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  8. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Can you recommend a good read?

    You sound like a fundamental Christian/Muslim

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    Information.

    EDIT: (Abiogenesis) I can see "internet" articles saying basically what you're saying but it isn't even a scientific theory.
     
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  9. zacariah88 Registered Member

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  10. zacariah88 Registered Member

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    We can see how dilbert does it in those cartoons we have freewill.
     
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  13. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    As they say: freewill exists because it it couldn't possibly not exist.

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  14. geordief Valued Senior Member

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    Is freewill like the hostage in a bank robbery?

    He wants to pick his nose but the robber (with his gun) says no.

    After a bit the robber can see he is no threat and says "OK,pick"

    The hostage is thrilled "I got free will after all"
     
  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Well, he had the free will to choose the less lethal of two consequences.
     
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    • Please post on topic.
    I can recommend anything by Robert Hazen from Carnegie Institute for Science.
    He is an excellent lecturer and lays out the evolutionary processes that start with purely chemical reactions to the emergence of self-duplicating polymers and the ability to seek energy for maintaining homeostasis.
    The lecturer who exposed me to the fundamentals in a clear and persuasive argument.
    Hazen has several in-depth lectures on Youtube.
    Hell, no! Life was born in hell, not heaven.
    That is because you are missing the axiomatic fact that cells all living organisms are born by and perform abiogenesis every second of their lives.

    Living cells are composed of non-living molecules, so every time a cell divides the process creates a living object from non-living constituent parts, that is the definition of abiogenesis.

    The Molecular Composition of Cells
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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK9879/#

    A non-living biochemical polymer.

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    RNA
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/07/170712201054.htm#
    A more complex non-living biochemical polymer.

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    DNA
    https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/mysterious-retron-dna-helps-scientists-edit-human-genes/

    Neither of these bio-chemical polymers are living things, yet their chemical instructions produce living cells!


    Lets assume that all life for all its variety, must have something in common, i.e. living cells, ok?
    How and from what are cells made?

    This common denominator has been named LUCA (Last Universal Common Ancestor)

    Who or what is LUCA?

    by Stephanie McClellan0, 3 April 2013

    Is there an evolutionary starting point and a primordial organism from which all modern life descended?

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    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/120606/who-what-luca/#

    Orignally, there were probably several locations on the surface where life had roots, but there is only one location that was relatively shielded from all surface activities including sunlight . And that was deep in the protection of water in the oceans, on the ocean floor, where "black smokers" were spewing mineral rich plumes of dynamically interactive minerals, increasing the rate of polymer formation such as RNA.

    Therefore, unless a better model can be presented, we must assume that "life" originated from Earth's natural chemistry and dynamic (violent) conditions .[/QUOTE]
     

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  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    LOL, that is the definition of coercion ....!

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  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    In a deterministic universe that is a debatable proposition.
     
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    Moderator note: Write4U has been warned for posting off-topic.

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    Due to accumulated warning points, Write4U will be taking a brief break from sciforums.
     
  20. zacariah88 Registered Member

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    Oh please good gentleman, James R he is so interested in philosophical theories we are in freewill all of us. Please forgive his enthusiasm. He is an intelligent man and freewill opens embarks in a huge field.
     
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    We have freewill we can choose do not go to far and know you cna choose your freedom and have the power to change your destiny.
     
  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    It is bad form to just post video after video without any attempt to address the content's relevance or even so much as include explanatory text.
    It is actually listed in the site rules and, historically, moderators have infracted habitual violators.
     

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