I gave you 4 links.
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It seems obvious you didn't click on any of the links.
Xelasnave.1947
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You really are a bing bat sometimes☺
Alex
OK, let me try this again. Because victimized altar boys tend to be sincere believers, Biblically literate, and have a strong moral case for God's will to be revealed. Can you think of a better case? Because the church's authority is highly suspect when it practices immoral behavior. There is no religious authority without morality.
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DaveC426913
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He's a sock of Jan.
When screws are put to thumbs, he implores us to "use Google".
Xelasnave.1947
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No no I can not believe that at all.
What you suggest is that they are both frauds ...they cant be not our wonderful well educated theists.
Anyways not even Jan in his wildest moments is a theist as no one really beleives there is an actual God not even Jan.
He will deny it but he is an atheist deep down despite his greatest efforts to reject the truth that is atheism he lays his head down knowing its just something he has to go along with because he is presumably trapped in a tbeist community and must nod along with all the others.
They do a great job to remind us what nonsense passes for their constructed reality.
They have nothing and just find it frustrating that others reject their delusion.
Still they are entitled to pursue whatever foolish notions they choose.
Fortunately we have moved out of bronze age superstition and the opportunity remains for Jan and all his manifestations to do the same...so any day now I expect Jan Musika and the whole draw will come out and admit they are atheists seizing upon theist behaviour to emulate and cause a mockery of all they claim as make believe theists.
Great entertainers great advocates for atheism great generators of site traffic.
Much like your professional wrestlers...all watching know it is make believe but get off on the entertainment value.
Alex
What is their strong moral case for God's will?
It's more the case of when one asks obvious q's they get directed to google.
Their victimization undermines the church's moral authority. As we see now in Ireland.
It's a moot point anyway, since even if god appeared to an innocent victim of the church and asked how he could help, that would still leave the problem of verification. How would they know it's god?
It leaves the problem of other religions as well, since you can never verify they are wrong without practicing them.
DaveC426913
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"Asking the obvious". You have just begged the question - pretending the claim that you are in the process making has already been made. A logical fallacy.
Another part of Jan's inimitable style.
Anyway, Musika is reverted to full defensive mode, simply referring back to something 50 posts ago without further content. (Another of Jan's tactics). We'll get nothing more out of him on this subject.
Its strange that you would deem the notion of extracting prescriptive descriptions from scripture/religious teachings a controversial argument.
DaveC426913
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There is no evasion. Google is quite accessible and just the thing to bring off-kilter views in to perspective. I even took the liberty of providing you four links from four different religious traditions (which you obviously didn't look at).
Xelasnave.1947
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Well that is what I came here to see☺
I have seen some talkers in my time (and heard them) but I have not come across anyone like Jan.
His trickyness is an art form.
I only hope he uses his talent for good in the real world hopefully a preacher who uses his privelledged position to guide folk to good decisions, tolerance of others, kindness, patience and honesty.
Alex
DaveC426913
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I'm not talking with Google; I'm talking with you. You had the chance to give us specific, discrete examples, not pages of stuff that you can spend a hundred more posts deflecting line-by-line.
You are telling us your considered view is no more wise or thoughtful than a software search engine.
If Google is your authority figure - your god - then so be it.
Xelasnave.1947
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Do you honestly believe what you are saying here☺
You spend a great deal of time presenting well thought out replies and yet you can not seize upon merely one scripture to discuss and with a straight face say you are not evasive.
It is one thing to lie to us but if you believe that you are not evasive then you commit the worst "sin" of all....dont lie to yourself it never ends well.
Own your position.
The fact that you wont suggests you are not what you try to present.
Come on in your own well choosen words please discuss one scripture that you feel would be a good find if we were sucessful in a google.
Jan told me to goggle and I did...for days but as it goes with the net you may never find what it is suggested you look for.
I found evidence that supported the exact opposite of what Jan sent me to look for...so how nice if you could save us the trouble and simply share your views...you have said this is a discussion board so feel free to discuss is all I suggest.
Now I really have done my best to have you present something along the lines of not only my request but the requests if others and I really think my appeal must be met by someone realising that they must come clean...but you wont, we all know that but please go ahead do your sidestep so I can sit in awe of your unique ability.
And you do us a favour as if you were direct the absense of God in any sense would be established and discussion and evasion no longer necessary.
Come on make my day tell me again that you are not being evasive.
Have a great day hope all is good for you and yours.
Alex
If you can't understand the general principle, what is the point of getting in to specifics? .... especially if you are as you say you are, and are not into trawling mindlessly for pages.
In the real world, a valid argument is not produced by googling for five seconds and posting the first things you see. It is produced by actually making an argument, with backing facts.
It is pathetic that you are completely unable to do that.
No wonder theists are in severe decline.
It depends entirely on what the argument was in response to.
If you struggle to understand the relationship between scripture/religious teachings and prescriptive descriptions, I suggest google.
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