to vax or not to vax

Yes, I have read that there was no flu epidemic at all this winter in the N Hemisphere, precisely because of all the covid countermeasures everyone was taking. This was predicted by the epidemiologists, in fact.

Almost no one has had a cold either, for the same reasons. All these are of course respiratory diseases, spread in much the same way as SARS-C-V-2, so it is hardly surprising that measures to suppress one will suppress the others as well.

Yet we still have stupid people who think their freedom from colds and flu is something to do with their own virtuous lifestyle, diet and regime of supplements. :rolleyes:
Pretty much.

If people follow the same rules from now on, stay home when sick, social distancing when out and wearing a mask if they feel unwell, I suspect number of influenza admittance to hospital would remain quite low in the future.
 
It only takes one person.


In the winter of 2020, everyone was social distancing, most were wearing masks and the greater majority were living under some form of lockdown and restrictions.

The reason you didn't get a cold or flu is because you were no confirmed outbreaks of the flu in 2020 in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova...o-cases-nova-scotia-canada-covid-19-1.5878189

Good points but this whole thing is also related to bureaucratic control over the lives of people and taking away everybody's cars and guns so that citizens of the USA, Canada and much of the world are totally dependent on government........................ which has actually been done before in history!
 
"Aborted human fetus sells" in the vaccine?

...

You "would like to be in solidarity with Christians and Jews and others who DO NOT want to take any of the existing vaccines at this time for ethical reasons?"

...

Bureaucratic control over the lives of people and taking away everybody's cars and guns so that citizens of the USA, Canada and much of the world are totally dependent on government.

What is all this? -_O

Is your brain throwing a tantrum?
 
"Aborted human fetus sells" in the vaccine?

...

You "would like to be in solidarity with Christians and Jews and others who DO NOT want to take any of the existing vaccines at this time for ethical reasons?"

...

Bureaucratic control over the lives of people and taking away everybody's cars and guns so that citizens of the USA, Canada and much of the world are totally dependent on government.

What is all this? -_O

Is your brain throwing a tantrum?


I have to admit that my brain has thrown a few tantrums on me over these sixty one years.......
so I really cannot totally rule that out as a possibility??????

Back in 1990 I even got really, really, really angry with Jesus over the "many called/ few chosen" plan once I read a negative NDE or two or three?!
 
"Aborted human fetus sells" in the vaccine?

...

You "would like to be in solidarity with Christians and Jews and others who DO NOT want to take any of the existing vaccines at this time for ethical reasons?"

...

Bureaucratic control over the lives of people and taking away everybody's cars and guns so that citizens of the USA, Canada and much of the world are totally dependent on government.

What is all this? -_O

Is your brain throwing a tantrum?


I am going to take the liberty of quoting you into the "Human Science" sub-forum and ask if other posters on the forum suspect that my brain chemical mix may be a little "off" these days?!

Diabolical, dastardly, despicable and devious me......
in a sense I may end up getting some free of charge psychological advice through Sciforums from some brilliant people who could charge me a hundred dollars per hour or more if I lived within travelling distance of their day job office?!
 
if I do not get sick I might not even be contagious?????
Yes, you can be contagious even if you present no symptoms. This is one of the thing that makes this particular virus so insidious; People can be walking around with it, never know it, and potentially spread it to others.
The best course of action is to assume that anyone, including yourself, could be infected. Wear a mask, not so much to protect yourself, but to protect others. It doesn't matter that if you contract it, you think you'll be okay, but that now you are a new vector by which the virus can spread, possibly to those who won't fair as well.

I got my first shot of the Pfizer vaccine last Wednesday, and am scheduled to get the 2nd on May 5th. 2 weeks after that I should be at maximum protection. However, I'm not going to change much in what I'm doing now. I'll still wear a mask when in public, I don't plan on doing indoor dining at restaurants , etc. About the most I'll do at first is maybe sleep in to 6:30 am rather than get up at 5:30 am to do my grocery shopping.
 
Well I'm out, however, I don't think Jesus mentioned vaccinations as uncool.

I've taken lots and lots of vaccines but this is the first one that
was ever set up quite like this one!

One impressive article that I read stated that there was HIV DNA in the Covid 19 virus which, if true, seems to me to be astonishingly unlikely to occur by pure random chance... ........
Bill Gates's favorite card game is Hearts.... and we called taking twenty five point in one hand "Chinese Control." I believe that a number of influential Chinese Secret Service agents in an off the scale CORRUPT Chinese industrial military complex, may well have gone all out to push the Yuan above the USA dollar...... and I believe that they have terribly failed in this attempt...... I believe that every month will produce better and better and better vaccines and knock the worst of the vaccines off the market.

A ninety seven year old neighbor got the vaccine about a month ago and within a few days had a stroke and a heart attack. Whatever vaccine is on the market in my area six months or a year from now will likely be a much better variation than the one that she took. Until my employer demands that I take the vaccine or be fired.... I do not have to take this vaccine. Even when my employer demands that I take the vaccine.... if I can resign and work as a "Casual Janitor Unvaccinated" I may well go for that option.

I don't want to be so politically correct that I pressure friends into compliance on something that is so fishy on so many levels.

Not only has much of the world turned against China over this past year but it seems that even Mother Nature is out to humble the Chinese military machine as well. I am of the belief that prayer by Chinese Muslims, Falun Gong, dissidents and Christians are being answered and within a decade China may have a level of freedom that could in many important ways be greater than what Canadians and Americans have by then if the Political Correctness Police take control over here in the western democracies.
 
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Yes, you can be contagious even if you present no symptoms. This is one of the thing that makes this particular virus so insidious; People can be walking around with it, never know it, and potentially spread it to others.
The best course of action is to assume that anyone, including yourself, could be infected. Wear a mask, not so much to protect yourself, but to protect others. It doesn't matter that if you contract it, you think you'll be okay, but that now you are a new vector by which the virus can spread, possibly to those who won't fair as well.

I got my first shot of the Pfizer vaccine last Wednesday, and am scheduled to get the 2nd on May 5th. 2 weeks after that I should be at maximum protection. However, I'm not going to change much in what I'm doing now. I'll still wear a mask when in public, I don't plan on doing indoor dining at restaurants , etc. About the most I'll do at first is maybe sleep in to 6:30 am rather than get up at 5:30 am to do my grocery shopping.


The case that can be presented that this virus was designed brilliantly is rather impressive and I suspect that within six months to a year even the BigMedia outlets will be unable to ignore the truth on this.
 
Almost no one has had a cold either,

i disagree
i think the vast majority of people have stopped reporting colds to avoid being quarantined for covid

we need to gather peripheral data on things like pain killer use
sales
medications were stripped from shop shelves globally

have they all been feeding themselves with N-acetyl-para-aminophenol (APAP), acetaminophen (USAN US)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracetamol
?

to hide thier symptoms
and massively under reporting ?
i think yes

wont be good for their liver

In the winter of 2020, everyone was social distancing, most were wearing masks and the greater majority were living under some form of lockdown and restrictions.
(((((i have observed people who obviously have a cold and say they don't and still go into the office & mix with staff[[[[[many times]]]]])))))
so a combined process of massive public dosing with paracetamol and other herbs and chemicals & drugs
matched with massive under-reporting
matched with massive reduction in large scale common spreading behaviors

i expect the incidence of colds is exactly the same just proportional to the reduced social contact
while possibly increased spread inside family domestic units
being repressed with massively increased self dosing with drugs

i might even wonder of transmission inside domestic groups increased as clean-behavior fatigues and rebellions set in

questions around alcohol & paracetamol on the liver would be my thought to throw a few million dollars into research

including
high fat comfort food
while taking paracetamol
and antibiotics
combined
very very bad for the liver

obesity high fat people
with snack comfort food high fat
taking antibiotics and paracetamol
and then other younger groups taking alcohol and paracetamol(liver better to heal though but will increase risk in those with genetic disorders as outcomes etc )
 
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my question for scientists is
is there any rebound clotting or lack of clotting effect from people taking medications then catching covid ?

because
regardles of vaccines obviously saving most people
can we help reduce complex long term bad outcomes slightly by tweaking aspects of the hematology long term state of complex patients ?

these would be patients typical advised t possibly not get vaccinated while maintaining a high level of fatal risk from catching covid

is this protein thing going to be a real flame thrower in a alcohol shop party(long term if so can we get a jump on it) ?
 
Good points but this whole thing is also related to bureaucratic control over the lives of people and taking away everybody's cars and guns so that citizens of the USA, Canada and much of the world are totally dependent on government........................ which has actually been done before in history!
So you don't adhere to speed limits, building regulation codes, etc because it's all government control?

We're talking about vaccines and you start rambling about the Government taking away your guns and cars in Canada and the US and the rest of the world..

I don't think I'm wrong when I ask, what in the actual fresh hell are you on about?

You are literally peddling crap.

Not just any crap.

Dangerous crap.

In the middle of a pandemic..

I am going to take the liberty of quoting you into the "Human Science" sub-forum and ask if other posters on the forum suspect that my brain chemical mix may be a little "off" these days?!
This thread is in the Human Science sub-forum.

Diabolical, dastardly, despicable and devious me......
in a sense I may end up getting some free of charge psychological advice through Sciforums from some brilliant people who could charge me a hundred dollars per hour or more if I lived within travelling distance of their day job office?!
No.

The response will be to stop peddling crap.

I've taken lots and lots of vaccines but this is the first one that
was ever set up quite like this one!
Science has moved at a fast pace and they were able to create vaccines.

This virus required a fast response because it shut down the entire world to stop its spread. They threw everything at it.

One impressive article that I read stated that there was HIV DNA in the Covid 19 virus which, if true, seems to me to be astonishingly unlikely to occur by pure random chance... ........
Was it on InfoWars?

Bill Gates's favorite card game is Hearts.... and we called taking twenty five point in one hand "Chinese Control." I believe that a number of influential Chinese Secret Service agents in an off the scale CORRUPT Chinese industrial military complex, may well have gone all out to push the Yuan above the USA dollar...... and I believe that they have terribly failed in this attempt...... I believe that every month will produce better and better and better vaccines and knock the worst of the vaccines off the market.
Yep.

InfoWars.

Stop peddling crap.
A ninety seven year old neighbor got the vaccine about a month ago and within a few days had a stroke and a heart attack.
97 years of age... Because something else might not have been the cause?

My mother is in her 80's with a history of primary central nervous system lymphoma, severe dementia now as a result and had both shots and is still fine.

Whatever vaccine is on the market in my area six months or a year from now will likely be a much better variation than the one that she took.
It's not an iphone.

Until my employer demands that I take the vaccine or be fired.... I do not have to take this vaccine.
Then you are simply contributing to preventing herd immunity.
Even when my employer demands that I take the vaccine.... if I can resign and work as a "Casual Janitor Unvaccinated" I may well go for that option.
As above. You are putting your immunocompromised neighbours and residents who live near you, at risk.

I don't want to be so politically correct that I pressure friends into compliance on something that is so fishy on so many levels.
Instead, you prefer to put them at risk because you are driven by conspiracies.

Not only has much of the world turned against China over this past year but it seems that even Mother Nature is out to humble the Chinese military machine as well. I am of the belief that prayer by Chinese Muslims, Falun Gong, dissidents and Christians are being answered and within a decade China may have a level of freedom that could in many important ways be greater than what Canadians and Americans have by then if the Political Correctness Police take control over here in the western democracies.
And now religious woo.

The case that can be presented that this virus was designed brilliantly is rather impressive and I suspect that within six months to a year even the BigMedia outlets will be unable to ignore the truth on this.

And now back to right wing woo.

Cut it out.

This is a science forum. Either present scientific studies to back up your claims or face moderation. I am not telling you again.
 
One impressive article that I read stated that there was HIV DNA in the Covid 19 virus
What does that mean?

All DNA contains the same four nucleotides. All DNA contains the same codons. Most DNA from life on Earth contains similar codon sequences. This is because all life on Earth is related. How similar they are depends on how closely the lifeforms are related.

So if two viruses did NOT share any DNA codon sequences, that would be almost a miracle.
A ninety seven year old neighbor got the vaccine about a month ago and within a few days had a stroke and a heart attack.
Yep. 97 year old people tend to have strokes. Sucks getting old.
I do not have to take this vaccine.
Correct. Not getting vaccinated when you can does not make you a criminal. It just makes you a selfish jerk.
The case that can be presented that this virus was designed brilliantly is rather impressive and I suspect that within six months to a year even the BigMedia outlets will be unable to ignore the truth on this.
The case can also be presented that the Earth is flat and BigMedia is trying to cover that up with their fake "round Earth" theories. Some people even believe that it's flat. Do you?
 
What does that mean?

All DNA contains the same four nucleotides. All DNA contains the same codons. Most DNA from life on Earth contains similar codon sequences. This is because all life on Earth is related. How similar they are depends on how closely the lifeforms are related.

So if two viruses did NOT share any DNA codon sequences, that would be almost a miracle.

Yep. 97 year old people tend to have strokes. Sucks getting old.

Correct. Not getting vaccinated when you can does not make you a criminal. It just makes you a selfish jerk.

The case can also be presented that the Earth is flat and BigMedia is trying to cover that up with their fake "round Earth" theories. Some people even believe that it's flat. Do you?

For the record a lot of smart people disagree with him.....
but here is what he said:


He said: “We have arrived at the conclusion that this virus was created.” He accused “molecular biologists” of having inserted DNA sequences from HIV into a coronavirus, “probably” as part of their work to find a vaccine against AIDS.

He said that it was not clear how the virus had been able to escape the laboratory, and condemned scientists for doing “the work of a sorcerer’s apprentice”.

Professor Montagnier has said that he is not the first to suggest the connection, and added that “a group of renowned Indian researchers” had also tried to publish a study showing that the new coronavirus includes HIV DNA, but were forced to retract their claims and had been “smothered”.

https://www.connexionfrance.com/Fre...er-says-Covid-19-was-made-in-a-lab-laboratory

French Nobel prize winner: ‘Covid-19 made in lab’
A controversial French Nobel prize-winning scientist has accused biologists of having created SARS-CoV-2 - the virus that causes Covid-19 - in a lab, but the wider scientific community has so far refuted the claim.

One thing is for certain.... the timing for the arrival of Covid 19 is certainly suspicious.
 
If people follow the same rules from now on, stay home when sick, social distancing when out and wearing a mask if they feel unwell, I suspect number of influenza admittance to hospital would remain quite low in the future.

keeping in mind consumer economics which drives most country's financial systems, & delivers jobs to provide wages, which is what creates the money used to keep the economy moving...
relys on a certain amount of social interaction.
how working class taxes are spent on the rich or poor is the big game the elitists are playing when they game all the fake science stuff
they want to hoard the working class taxes for themselves and steal it from the working class.

thats what is behind all the alt right and conservative right push for producing and spreading fake science
theft & corrupt fascist power control

so vaccination has become a self factualising function of absolute reality
now by people getting vaccinated it validates that SARS CoV-2 is real
and that undermines their fake science propaganda

flu jab or no flu jab
is the flu real or fake
are colds flus and viruses fake
is bacteria fake

etc etc
the hypocrisy of the reality's need to subvert basic common sense and logic is mandatory to insert false leadership obedience

this is exactly the same with the economic basic function of society and how working class taxes are spent on public health

my point, which i almost forgot
is that some economy's are more reliant on working class having jobs & spending their wages
these economy's are inherently user pays privatized
which is part of the difficulty in fooling the people while they steal their taxes.
soo... the USA economy which is privatised user pays
relys almost 100% on working class jobs earning and spending their wages
which is inherently socialist mixed market economy

while they all get their free vaccinations ...

so the question of "to vax or not to vax"is able to be swapped out for
"why should i pay for your vaccination" ?!!!
when the reality is
that power of consumer based privatized user pays has been removed already and then sanctified inside an outsourced moral hypocrisy

who is paying for my vaccination
why should i pay for your vaccination
is my vaccination free
what is a free lunch

etc ...
a potential cross roads of social & cultural change

Should that be cells???

:)
not in a private health care system
I may end up getting some free of charge psychological advice through Sciforums from some brilliant people who could charge me a hundred dollars per hour or more if I lived within travelling distance of their day job office?!
the minimum current market rate is around $300.00 per hour (1 hour minimum fee)
a reputable qualified psychologist would have around $500,000.00 in costs to get to that point in opening a business

any rich anti-vaxers planning a tourist visit to India to visit all the popular sites ?

One thing is for certain.... the timing for the arrival of Covid 19 is certainly suspicious.

like the dark ages ?
you need to provide some info around what defines it as being suspicious and to a nature of what suspicion toward a pre defined concept of assumed outcome reality
suspicion with no basic logic is called fear & paranoia

it wold be easy to argue that african swine flu & lack of government regulations caused covid19 to escalate faster than it may have
but all scientists have been saying for decades that this is going to happen
not if
but when

fyi
20 years ago i was discussing this very subject with some of the worlds leading scientists
soo you have a fair bit of ground to catch up.
 
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One thing is for certain.... the timing for the arrival of Covid 19 is certainly suspicious.
No more suspicious than . . . any other time.
He accused “molecular biologists” of having inserted DNA sequences from HIV into a coronavirus, “probably” as part of their work to find a vaccine against AIDS.
Huh! I wonder who he accuses of inserting chimpanzee DNA sequences into human DNA.
 
No more suspicious than . . . any other time.

Huh! I wonder who he accuses of inserting chimpanzee DNA sequences into human DNA.

soo
not only is covid a scam
but also DNA is fake ?

wow ! what next ...
finger prints are also fake ?

what about bum prints oh the pestilence of it all
they say its the 7 signs of your back end
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the 4 wise camels of the end times

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