Questions about Covid-19?

Discussion in 'Biology & Genetics' started by KUMAR5, Apr 26, 2021.

  1. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    Moreover Covid 19 along with its variants, is a pandemic infection so no single entity can be blamed. We don't know, may be tommorow, we may just be able to move and work like astraunot. It can be like a natural or manmade clamity. We do have collected many many self destructing tools, nature and other soecies may suffer alongwith eithout their fault. However this virus is harming only to human specie.
     
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  3. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    ok
    topic is VERY big


    new variants

    india 400k new infections per day
    roughly 300k new infections per day for around a month
    some mathematicians can do that math to get exponential factor(rough total spread rate to get real infection numbers also then reverse engineer mathematics to get probable outlier infection levels that created that spread to find out what level was in the rural community)

    big issue
    what will new variants mutate into ?

    is the current wide scale infection a new variant that does something different to the lungs ?

    is it a new virus that does something different
    or
    just large longer onset of viral load ?
    etc

    what is the calculated exponential mutation rate against current vaccines ?
    what is the time line ?
    how long does the world have with current vaccine type ?

    keeping in mind pockets of ideal incubation now exist in MANY countries if not almost every country in the world

    unfortunately there is nothing to suggest the new virus wont jump to pets and stock animals if it has not already
    most likely now exists in many countrys stock animals... incubating quietly

    what level of physical touch do people have with animals in farming ?(where it can be passed back and forth)
    India
    USA
    South America

    100% man made through wet markets and people eating animals
    most of asia will have interaction with corona virus and have done for thousands of years
    like MERS
     
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  5. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    It is bit indicative that primary natural covid infection establish immunological memory comparise of both cellular or T Cell based as well as Antibody or Memory B cell based protection from reinfection. However different vaccines establish only either of these two not both at par to natural infection. Eg. Inactivatsed virus base antibody or B Cell related but poor in cellular or T cell response wheress Vector virus and mRNA types on cellular or T cell based but poor on Antibody based protection. However, on natural infection immune development is not diciplined can vary depending on severity of infection.

    As such, can/shoukd there be taking two types of vaccines possibility or to develop any new vaccine covering both these basis in near future to be made it more effective?
     
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  7. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    The current vaccines are extremely effective. Get the vaccine relax and enjoy life.
     
  8. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    Infection to few is also happening even after talking vaccines. What is harm in understanding these better and in absolute?
     
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  11. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    very difficult subject when soo many anti vaxers
    i guess around 65% Indians are anti vaxers (500 million or soo)
    maybe around 15 to 20% Chinese(200 million)
    USA probably close to 8% (2 million)
    South America possibly close to 10% (45 million)
    Africa very hard to tell maybe 30% (400 million)

    soo when you add up all those numbers to get a total world number...
    it is hundreds of millions of people who will never get vaccinated

    that is my rough guess
    which comes to
    1,150,000,000 people who will never get vaccinated
    out of world population ?
    7.6 billion


    but
    when you add up
    India
    china
    Africa
    south America

    who are agrarian and/or local and will to travel outside their town, you may be able to cut that number almost in half
    but that still leaves 7% who will never be vaccinated & move around spreading the virus

    14% roughly, we can say 15% (adding other countrys you could easily add another 2% to 3% roughly)
    [[[which is why i have always been against uneducated talk around herd immunity]]]


    soo
    add on medical unable to be vaccinated
    between 3 to 5 %
    17%
    plus 4%
    = 21% minimum
    who will never be vaccinated

    how much for herd immunity ?

    so its vaccination or bust& only well run mixed market economy island countrys can lock down their borders to eradicate it
    assuming they have the political and moral culture to support that

    that is the reality of covid19




     
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  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Biden did mention a number of production of around a billion vaccines for distribution around the world and facilitating vaccine production in countries for current and future uses.
     
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  13. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    If no choice even something is better than nothing. But ultimately, that need to achieve everything. It remains main goal of even science.
     
  14. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    Indians are not against vaccines. Just check óther vaccines. On the contrary they trust med prople quite easily. But simply, when a vaccine is new snd not yet absolute and final and there is lot of competetion, odd talks, unclaritied etc they also remain bit suspicious. These vaccines are allowed as emergency use, probsbly not fully cooked, so obiously many can still be hesitant to eat hslf cooked food. Bit normal.
     
  15. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    what country doesn't run on pure money

    the vaccine process and the covid damage is both hand in hand

    most countrys place values on humans lifes
    that value of life runs their economy & culture

    the illusion in the usa is that life has a single value
    it doesn't
    rich & powerful have more valuable lifes according to USA culture, Law & society.
    other countrys low value on human life does not balance that differing number to suddenly not have any value

    i think he has the will
    but the nation is not yet set to just say yes to common sense above personal profit
    its roughly 60/40 in favor of private profit above public health
    that's a hard path for Joe to navigate
    but greed loves money
    and he can help to dangle it on a stick like a carrot

    whats the death toll now ?
    750,000 dead USA
    that's a total failure for a 1sdt world country which promoted global pandemic advice
    technically
    the 2nd wave was the big kicker

    you could watch the national leadership tone change as republican states started to pile up the dead

    but will they try to spite Joe by allowing more people to die by lack of regulation and control ?(probably)

    but Joe is vaccinating everyone
    which is the hail merry
     
  16. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    Your posts are half baked.

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  17. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    I have posted two links of WHO recently. Just compare, what immune protection we get from natural infection and from different types of vaccines. You may note some difference.
     
  18. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yeah, they seem like the result of some quick and poorly understood Google searches, combined with something he heard from "some guy" somewhere.
     
  19. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    WHO is trusted site. Just try to compare immune protection and immune memory ehich we can get by infection and by different vaccines. I posted WHO links for both recentky
     
  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i can see you heading into a complex area of hematology here
    very technical

    your questions around this is probably best answered by a hematologist specializing in micro biology
    & i doubt many of that very very very very very small group of highly trained people would find there way here in the tiny amount of spare time they may have online that they choose to discuss highly advanced research that has billions of dollars being gambled behind it with

    its quite valid into oncology
    chemo therapy
    diabetes

    what illness does not get reduced by better hematology science

    but this is almost cold war biological weapons advancement level stuff and probably worth a trillion dollars to a single company that can un-ravel & crack this type of functionality to deliver better hematology science across the entire medical world.

    an immunologist can tell you what science is & how it works, but they dont work for free

    it sounds like your crossing over
    immunological allergic conditions
    with vaccine science

    its not irrelevant, but when millions of lifes & trillions of dollars hang in the balance, its hard to conceive there being any real benefit by entertaining someone who is not 100% on to the pure essence of the fringe science area

    ive read into allergy's & the immunology of them
    there is significant public data there for you to study if you were adequately motivated(but you read like your looking for a quick fix)

    once you have up-skilled yourself to the required level
    you will be capable of asking questions that can be answered
    assuming they dont cross over anyone else's business interests

    even if i did know
    which case i would be a highly paid specialist scientist working for a multi billion dollar company with legal contracts telling me i am not allowed to discuss things

    which im not
    i would not tell you then, because the implications of such knowledge would be capable of causing millions of (more)deaths.
    keeping in mind that covid has already caused millions of deaths AND trillions of dollars in losses
    Globally the cost is probably above 10 trillion already
    & thats 10 trillion out of the working class pockets NOT super rich who wont notice it against a bank sheet balance

    programming DNA &/or RNA via vaccine delivery
    is a cutting edge sci-fi fringe science area
    but how many people oppose abortion & contraception & all other types of medical procedures ?

    its like giving hitler the A bomb & long range bombers for a April fools joke

    now imagine how many citys hitler would have nuked
    then imagine what the world would look like today with such vast population areas radioactive for the next 10,000 years.
     
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  21. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    Thanks for telling reality. However shoukd we not know absoluteky, what we are opting? I do not say, these do not work, but I am bit unclear whether these work either fully or not at par to immunity from infection?
     
  22. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    its a time game

    the faster everyone gets the same variant vaccinated against
    the better
    the longer it goes on
    the bigger the variation(as the virus DNA changes) and less effective vaccines will be
    once it gets to that point
    it will be a very different world
    time has a lot to do with it
    matched with preventing its spread and re-infection

    the problems with current vaccine side effects will become insignificant once the new variants spread over time if it is not handled properly

    it would be easy to predict 25% death toll over 30 years
    which is probably vastly more than the current world systems can cope with

    DNA & RNA programming is cutting edge fringe science & the Quantum-singularity "down loading your consciousness to a computer".

    DNA & RNA programming to make liquid computers is the sci-fi android AI intelligent life idea

    but there is a greater moral debate at hand between
    digital AI and living AI
    the religions are happy with digital
    but living AI may be a lot better in some instances(combined with digital) and machines
    (hence my comment around abortion etc)
    most common people are not wanting a home robot with living organs(FUNGUS MOLD SMALL NON BRAINED CREATURES ETC) in it EVEN IF they DO NOT pose any terrible ebola OR covid19 threat
     
  23. KUMAR5 Registered Senior Member

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    Let us look today.If we shall look future at this moment, we can just become idle.

    Many times even resistance also become a reason to evolution for survival unless resistance is
    absolute. Hence let us first understand immune protection acquired from different type of vaccines in comparison to
    protection which is acquired by natural infection.
     

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